ooc [OOC] Doom of Ceris

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2 hours ago, Greater Serbia said:

might as well make Edrela a candidate too for its geographic proximity to Greater Serbia

It could be difficult to try to put influence across all of those nations, especially in any long lasting form. Spreading yourself thin and shit.

I'm going to ping @Seylos, as this is his baby.

[Salvia]

Been thinking about whether or not to say this but I've decided I should.

Now @Greater Serbia know you are just trying to get back into the RP and I am very happy about, but what motives do you have to justify being in Ceris?  As far as I can see, there are no economic or cultural reasons, and, to be completely honest, no economic reasons either.  Western Ceris is literally a sh*thole economically, how do you expect your people to be able to support them while your country does whatever you do?  Judging just from your new thread with Tag and V and whoever else, it seems like either your government is either unstable or being overthrown altogether and so I doubt you have the political power within your own nation to pull this off.  If your goal really was just "manipulation" and you don't want to annex a territory then you need to explain 3 things: 1) Why would you waste your resources on Ceris, 2) what will you do there (saying "manipulation" could mean anything from establishing a small sphere of influence to Leopold II in Congo exploitation- you need to define this) and 3) depending on what you are doing, the Eurth community might react- something I doubt you want more of.  I am not trying to stifle your activity, but Eurth RP is realistic RP- I would be happy to swallow my words if you can work out a reasonable motive for your actions in Ceris.  Or if the mods/Seylos don't care if you get involved and I'm the only one that does, then I'd suggest ignoring this.  

I don't mean to single you out or target you, and I by no means wish to see you become inactive in terms of roleplaying with the Eurth community (although painfully slow, I find writing with other people adds some spice to it), however I find it very unrealistic that your people or government, if in real life, would actually get involved in Ceris.  However, that is a decision for you, Seylos, and the mods to decide- and they deem it O.K., then it is okay for me.  This was just a few of my thoughts about the whole situation; this extends beyond just GS and I think anyone who is already in/will be/is thinking about joining this thread should think about this in RL terms: would my people accept this? or would there be protests?  Could I economically, politically, and socially support this territory I am annexing, and if I'm not annexing anything, would it really be worth investing money in this region?

 

Just my two cents.

[Greater Serbia]

22 minutes ago, Salvia said:

Been thinking about whether or not to say this but I've decided I should.

Now @Greater Serbia know you are just trying to get back into the RP and I am very happy about, but what motives do you have to justify being in Ceris?  As far as I can see, there are no economic or cultural reasons, and, to be completely honest, no economic reasons either.  Western Ceris is literally a sh*thole economically, how do you expect your people to be able to support them while your country does whatever you do?  Judging just from your new thread with Tag and V and whoever else, it seems like either your government is either unstable or being overthrown altogether and so I doubt you have the political power within your own nation to pull this off.  If your goal really was just "manipulation" and you don't want to annex a territory then you need to explain 3 things: 1) Why would you waste your resources on Ceris, 2) what will you do there (saying "manipulation" could mean anything from establishing a small sphere of influence to Leopold II in Congo exploitation- you need to define this) and 3) depending on what you are doing, the Eurth community might react- something I doubt you want more of.  I am not trying to stifle your activity, but Eurth RP is realistic RP- I would be happy to swallow my words if you can work out a reasonable motive for your actions in Ceris.  Or if the mods/Seylos don't care if you get involved and I'm the only one that does, then I'd suggest ignoring this.  

I don't mean to single you out or target you, and I by no means wish to see you become inactive in terms of roleplaying with the Eurth community (although painfully slow, I find writing with other people adds some spice to it), however I find it very unrealistic that your people or government, if in real life, would actually get involved in Ceris.  However, that is a decision for you, Seylos, and the mods to decide- and they deem it O.K., then it is okay for me.  This was just a few of my thoughts about the whole situation; this extends beyond just GS and I think anyone who is already in/will be/is thinking about joining this thread should think about this in RL terms: would my people accept this? or would there be protests?  Could I economically, politically, and socially support this territory I am annexing, and if I'm not annexing anything, would it really be worth investing money in this region?

 

Just my two cents.

I understand, I can explain. 1. Seeing as that Serbia already has a developed military - I'd thought that it'd be nice to have a reserve of cheaper troops in an easily manipulable country. As for resources, the arms being provided aren't brand-new, but are numerous and will ensure easy logistical access. (Greater Serbia mirrors Serbia in the real world as a highly armed nation). 2. The exploitation is for military pursuits, at least mostly. Any other control over other parts of Dopraystein will be to further make the military run more efficiently, such as tackling corruption. One thing the Serbian military lacks in Eurth is reach - the ambition is to move some troops from Beograd to a base somewhere hidden. 3. I understand that, I thought about that too, but seeing as this will be a Sino-German type of deal, where the military is heavily influenced by a strong benefactor, I hope it'll stay relatively clandestine. The personnel in Dopraystein shouldn't number more than 500 for the start-up stages, and I hope to move regular troops after the summit in Variota after all is negotiated on the Bosniak issue.

[Tagmatium Rules]

You don't necessarily have easy logistical access, unless you're airlifting stuff out.

[Greater Serbia]

8 minutes ago, Tagmatium Rules said:

You don't necessarily have easy logistical access, unless you're airlifting stuff out.

that's the current plan of action. after the summit (if good conditions are met) sea access will be used too.

[Seylos]

And updated map of the political situation in Ceris

 

[Prymont]

As briefly discussed yesterday on Discord, I think I'd let to get involved in this RP.

Thanks to the help of @Seylos I've set my sights on Estaria. Prymont will be searching to increase its social and political standing in the wurld by increasing foreign & humanitarian aid efforts. Estaria is described as a massively overpopulated country suffering from famine and political unrest. Prymont will form a coalition with the Prymontian Rus to step in and assist - Prymont will be the majority funder in the operation by providing financial support and will participate in propaganda campaigns and politicking in Estaria to persuade the populace to side with them, while also providing military support to fight off the Sentist threat. Prymontian Rus will also provide minor military support and will be providing crops from southern farmlands to help remedy the famine. 

We'll be starting off in Zaspa to help the @Variotans reinforce their control in the area and to provide any required assistance against the Sentists. From Zaspa we'll quickly move west to Estaria and begin the campaign there. Assistance will also be provided by @Iverica - Prymont has a naval base in the country and Iverica has existing military supply routes in the area. Intelligence opportunities will also be offered by the Ivericans - I'll let him expand on that if he wishes to. This will hopefully soothe relations between the Prymontian and Iverican armed forces which were significantly hurt during the takeover of the Hellenic Rus (see: the mess that was the Battle of Salonica). 

Once established in Estaria the coalition will ease overpopulation by offering new opportunities in Prymont & Prymontian Rus, the former of which is suffering particularly from a small population. We'll also look to establish trade agreements with nearby nations to overcome the famine and promote domestic farming with tax incentives. A puppet government with roughly an equal level of autonomy compared to the Prymontian Rus will be set up (with elections obviously rigged to get Prymontian-backed candidates into power). 

Meanwhile we'll be building factories for Prymontian companies to seek cheap labour and creating military outposts so the Prymontian armed forces aren't so bloody far away from everyone and everything. Our close proximity to the ICEB also allows us to laugh at the commies and their farcical handling of a humanitarian crisis, because they're commies and can't do anything well. Yes, this means Julian Nordeng is back.

Questions, critiques, advice etc is welcomed. I'll be looking at making my first post sometime next week.

[Tagmatium Rules]

You're moving into Ceris for the same reasons that I am - just being too far away from the rest of the wurld.

The Scramble for Ceris is truly begun!

Everyone else who hasn't got a slice of the strudel needs to get a move on

[Iverica]

Re: Assisting Prymont

Iverica is sticking to a support role. With some allowance for our observers to collect intel and study the situation.

Intelligence support is mainly in satellite imaging; we'll be testing a new one.

Some fire support will also be made available to the Prymontians via ship-based guided missiles. These will be sourced from 2-CATFOR and other units of the 4th Fleet which have a presence in the Adlantic.

For all intents and purposes, Iverica won't have a stake in the current conflict, apart from the interest in keeping our allies supported. Posting here as due diligence in case there are questions about realism (logistics, supply, our military presence) and as per Pry's invite to expound.

[Salvia]

2 hours ago, Iverica said:

Re: Assisting Prymont

Iverica is sticking to a support role. With some allowance for our observers to collect intel and study the situation.

Intelligence support is mainly in satellite imaging; we'll be testing a new one.

Some fire support will also be made available to the Prymontians via ship-based guided missiles. These will be sourced from 2-CATFOR and other units of the 4th Fleet which have a presence in the Adlantic.

For all intents and purposes, Iverica won't have a stake in the current conflict, apart from the interest in keeping our allies supported. Posting here as due diligence in case there are questions about realism (logistics, supply, our military presence) and as per Pry's invite to expound.

I’d expect some complaints from the Salvian state and Papacy about your lack of involvement in saving Christians 😅

[Iverica]

@Salvia

I did ask you about your capabilities on Discord lol. Judging by your answer, you guys had it covered . Didn't see the need to get involved if the Iverican military just sits there and looks around. Boots on the ground is expensive and gauging from some of probes I've made into possible Iverican intervention, it looks like it will just bloat the IC thread than contribute to the narrative.

Besides, the Christian int'l community should be grateful enough that the Cussian situation is being, might I say--adequetely contributed to by the Ministry Foreign Affairs and the Armada. So political pressure to join the Coalition directly is fairly low.

[Tagmatium Rules]

Worst case scenario, all the ships in the Dolch See start bumping into each other.

[Tagmatium Rules]

As an aside, and as it is most pertinent in this thread than others, I've renamed my carriers. It made very little sense to have them named after ports rather than something religious - it didn't fit the character of my nation.

Because of this, the BPP Nystras is now the BPP Agios Pantaleon and the BPP Dyrrakion is the BPP Agios Ioulianos. They're named after military saints ICly, although OOCly they've pretty much been named at random from a list of Roman names.

[Seylos]

Updated map of Ceris:

[Tagmatium Rules]

Arhomaiki Ekstrateftiko Thematon – Aroman Expeditionary Army

 

Thematon - Army

Commanding Officer: Strategos Isaakios Akilios (P)

Army-level attachments:

1003rd Exkoulkatores Hemikometon (P) – 1003rd Special Reconnaissance Battalion

1102nd Souperventores Hemikometon (N) – 1102nd Pathfinder Battalion

1204th Hippakontistes Kometon (P) – 1204th Javelin Cavalry Regiment

711th Menaoulatos Kometon (P) – 711th Anti-Tank Regiment

808th Lonkheforos Kometon (P) – 808th Anti-Aircraft Regiment

811th Lonkheforos Kometon (N) – 811th Anti-Aircraft Regiment

1302nd Omikhliforos Droungos (P) – 1302nd Chemical Brigade

903rd Manganikoi Kometon (P) – 903rd Medium Artillery Regiment

907th Manganikoi Kometon (N) – 907th Medium Artillery Regiment

910th Alakatioi Kometon (P) – 910th Heavy Artillery Regiment

916th Alakatioi Kometon (N) – 916th Heavy Artillery Regiment

1504th Kournikinos Kometon (N) – 1504th Signals Regiment

1610th Kastronoikodomos Kometon (P) – 1610th Engineer Regiment

1612th Kastronoikodomos Kometon (N) – 1612th Engineer Regiment

Army reserve units:

402th Hippofraktos Tourmarkhon (P) – 402th Armoured Horse Archer Division

312th Skoutatos Tourmarkhon (N) – 312h Heavy Infantry Division

8th Klibanoforos Hemikometon – 8th Shock Cavalry Battalion

I Taxiarkhon – I Corps

Commanding Officer: Taxiarkhes Herakleios Mezezios (P)

109th Katafratos Tourmarkhon (P) – 109th Super Heavy Cavalry Division

221st Koursores Tourmarkhon (P) – 221st Medium Cavalry Division

418th Hippofraktos Tourmarkhon (P) – 418th Armoured Horse Archer Division

Corps-level attachments:

4th Klibanoforos Hemikometon – 4th Shock Cavalry Battalion

502nd Hippotoxotes Kometon (P) – 502nd Horse Archer Regiment

710th Menaoulatos Kometon (P) – 710th Anti-Tank Regiment

812th Lonkheforos Kometon (P) – 812th Anti-Aircraft Regiment

908th Manganikoi Kometon (P) – 908th Medium Artillery Regiment

911th Manganikoi Kometon (P) – 911th Medium Artillery Regiment

920th Alakatioi Kometon (P) – 920th Heavy Artillery Regiment

1310th Mensores Kometon (P) – 1310th Survey Regiment

1407th Kournikinos Kometon (P) – 1407th Signals Regiment

1611th Kastronoikodomos Kometon (P) – 1611th Engineer Regiment

 

II Taxiarkhon – II Corps

Commanding Officer: Taxiarkhissa Theodoula Parsakountena (N)

203rd Koursores Tourmarkhon (N) – 203rd Medium Cavalry Division

207th Koursores Tourmarkhon (N) – 207rd Medium Cavalry Division

315th Skoutatos Tourmarkhon (N) – 315th Heavy Infantry Division

Corps-level attachments:

7th Klibanoforos Hemikometon – 7th Shock Cavalry Battalion

510th Hippotoxotes Kometon (N) – 510th Horse Archer Regiment

702nd Menaoulatos Kometon (N) – 702nd Anti-Tank Regiment

807th Lonkheforos Kometon (N) – 807th Anti-Aircraft Regiment

904th Manganikoi Kometon (N) – 904th Medium Artillery Regiment

905th Manganikoi Kometon (N) – 905th Medium Artillery Regiment

906th Alakatioi Kometon (N) – 906th Heavy Artillery Regiment

1403rd Mensores Kometon (N) – 1403rd Survey Regiment

1504th Kournikinos Kometon (N) – 1504th Signals Regiment

1610th Kastronoikodomos Kometon (N) – 1610th Engineer Regiment

 

III Taxiarkhon – III Corps

Command officer: Taxiarkhes Epifanios Barysmes (N)

105th Katafratos Tourmarkhon (N) – 105th Super Heavy Cavalry Division

303rd Skoutatos Tourmarkhon (N) – 303rd Heavy Infantry Division

307th Skoutatos Tourmarkhon (N) – 307h Heavy Infantry Division

1st Apelates Tourmarkhon – 1st Mountain Infantry Division

Corps-level attachments:

1st Klibanoforos Hemikometon – 1st Shock Cavalry Battalion

621st Toxotes Kometon (N) – 621st Archer Regiment

708th Menaoulatos Kometon (N) – 708th Anti-Tank Regiment

808th Lonkheforos Kometon (N) – 808th Anti-Aircraft Regiment

911th Manganikoi Kometon (N) – 911th Medium Artillery Regiment

912th Manganikoi Kometon (N) – 912th Medium Artillery Regiment

915th Alakatioi Kometon (N) – 915th Heavy Artillery Regiment

1405th Mensores Kometon (N) – 1405th Survey Regiment

1506th Kournikinos Kometon (N) – 1506th Signals Regiment

1609th Kastronoikodomos Kometon (N) – 1609th Engineer Regiment

 

Secryaean Re-Organised Army units:

401. Kavallerie-Division (401st Hippofraktos Tourmarkhon) – 401st Armoured Horse Archer Division (Attached to I Taxiarkhon)

301. Infanterie-Division (301st Skoutatos Tourmarkhon) – 301st Heavy Infantry Division (Attached to II Taxiarkhon)

302. Infanterie-Division (302nd Skoutatos Tourmarkhon) – 302nd Heavy Infantry Division (Attached to III Taxiarkhon)

 

N denotes the unit is part of the Nourmeroi, the branch of the Basilikostrates that draws from specific Themata of the nation and was previously a semi-professional force, being paid partially in land that they used to support themselves. This, obviously, is no longer tenable and they are now totally professional but still more of a second-line force. They also have slightly less high end equipment compared to the Palatinoi, although they make up the bulk of the Tagmatine army.

P denotes the Palatinoi, the old “field army” that acted as mobile army of Tagmatium. Now, it's more a central army that draws from across the empire, rather from divisions tied to specific areas. They have a longer training period and have access to better equipment.

The Apelatai and Klibanoforoi are wholly professional, specialised units. The former are mountain infantry and border guards, set up to guard the western borders against the threat of the Haru. The latter is a shock cavalry unit, initially used to crack armies through the sheer weight of armour, man and horse. Now they're a shock cavalry unit, used to crack armies through sheet weight of armour, man and high-calibre gun. Almost as if I thought that the schwere Panzerabeiltung were a good thing to replicate in the modern day.

Unit numbers are by type, rather than by actual numbers of units, unless in the case of the Apelatai and Klibanoforoi, which are consecutive. Unit numbers aren't necessarily consecutive – some numbers are taken by paper units, disbanded units, destroyed units or units stricken from records due to being on the wrong side of various civil wars.