Akiiryu Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 *Akiiryan News Network* In a move that will directly threaten trade and the freedom of shipping in the area, Ide Jima has announced it will build anti shipping batteries overlooking the straits with endless summer. An Ide Jiman spokesman stated: We realise the wealth that flows in these waterways and are quick to make sure we have full control over them. Such a move is sure to anger surrounding nations. Link to comment
Meteorola Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Meteorola absolutely condems the use of any military force to curtail shipping- especially in international waters. Link to comment
Tagmatium Rules Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 The Holy Empire of Tagmatium recognises that Ide Jima is attempting to control shipping through the strait between Endless Summer and the Ide Jiman plot of 102, but we feel that this may not be quite the wisest thing to do at the moment. Admittedly we are not the ones to talk, as our take over of plot 16 leaves the Borean Strait in our hands, but this is not on the same scale. We advise Ide Jima to back down for the time being, as the whole of Europa is now on edge. We wish Ide Jima the best of luck with the settlement of these two plots, and hope it all goes well with Van for plot 47. If you need any help with anything, the Holy Empire will be happy to oblige. (This is up to and including possible military assisstance). Vice Chancellor Philip Commenus. Link to comment
MicroGlup Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 MicroGlup has already made its position clear on this and had specifically warned Ide Jima that it would not allow the consruction of gun batteries or any other military establishment on the coast of region 102 overlooking the deep water channels used by both international shipping and by our own naval vessels. MicroGlup has placed its armed forces on full alert and intends to launch a pre-emptive strike against Ide Jima at the first sign of any military or construction activity within region 102. We are also placing a total exclusion zone around the coast of region 102 to prohibit the landing of materials which could be of assistance to Ide Jima's plans. Link to comment
Ide Jima Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Hear this all nations! I shall build batteries, but please do not feel threatened, if a case of war were to arise these straits would be perfect for ferrying enemy troops due to the depth. The batteries will UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES be used to fire at trade vessels. Please do not feel threatened by these guns, they are built as an excercise of power rather than a threat to shipping. Link to comment
Haken Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Ide Jima seems to handle reasonably. Link to comment
Tagmatium Rules Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 The Holy Empire of Tagmatium realises this, although with the current political climate in Europa, such a move in itself could be considered a step towards such a war. On the other hand, MicroGlup's reaction could be considered rather excessive, as the building of gun batteries cannot be thought agressive, as such structures are more defensive. A limit could be placed on the calibre of the guns or something similar, to avoid any potential harm or mis-interpretation of actions. Vice-Chancellor Commenus Link to comment
Akiiryu Posted March 31, 2005 Author Share Posted March 31, 2005 (edited) To: All Nations From: Sublime Principate of Akiiryu Too often in the past have shore batteries been used to close shipping lanes, it is evident - despite its government's protestations to the otherwise - that Ide Jima plans to do the same. We draw your attention to the following statements made by the Ide Jiman Government in relation to the building of these batteries: We realise the wealth that flows in these waterways and are quick to make sure we have full control over them. they are built as an excercise of power . These are not the statements of a government purely concerned with defending its shores in a time of war, rather they indicate the construction of these batteries can is an agressive measure aimed at controlling and intimidating all shipping in the area. In considering Ide Jima's designs we also suggest people take into consideration Ide Jima's treatment of the native peoples of the areas they are colonising. Actions speak louder than words. T'Nith, 1st Minister, Akiiryan Baronic Council Edited March 31, 2005 by akiiryu (see edit history) Link to comment
Tamurin Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 TO: Ide Jima FROM: President Hartman RE: Gun batteries It is your souvereign right to build whatever you want - as long as it's inside your country. I really hope that you won't use this weapons against the trade routes. Be warned that such a move would cause countermeasures you wouldn't like. Hartman President of the United Republic of Tamurin Link to comment
Tagmatium Rules Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 There is alot of fuss being made over what another country is doing in its own territory. The building of the gun batteries is the business of Ide Jima, and Ide Jima only. We would like to know why the Sublime Principate of Akiiryu finds this such a pressing matter, especially as the Principate is situated such a long distance away from Ide Jima. Vice Chancellor Commenus of Tagmatium Link to comment
Akiiryu Posted March 31, 2005 Author Share Posted March 31, 2005 *Encoded Diplomatic Message* To: Tagmatium Rules From: Sublime Principate of Akiiryu In answer to your question. We are concerned about the construction of these shore batteries because of the statements Ide Jima has made regarding their construction. While you and others have rightly pointed out that the batteries are being built on Ide Jiman soil, they are being built, and I quote: to make sure we [ide Jima] have full control over them [the straits]. The straits include international waters, by attempting the claim the right to control the straits the Ide Jiman government is, in reality, laying claim to control of that whole water way. How long before they claim, via the barrel of a gun, the right to tax shipping that uses the straight? Despite being far from the straights we are a trading nation and will not accept our vessels, nor those of our friends, being threated by a state that has already shown its willingness to butcher the defenseless. Be assured we would react in a similar way anywhere. Link to comment
MicroGlup Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Firstly let us be clear on this - region 102 does NOT belong to Ide Jima; it has simply tried to claim it! MicroGlup had already made its position clear ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: Mar 26 2005, 06:37 PM These channels form an essential sea route for both our trade and military forces and any development which threatens our right of access would be seen as a threat to our security and immediately reacted to. We therefore require agreement that this is an international sea route which will not be closed or threatened with closure in any way e.g. the construction of gun enplacements or other miliary establishments on the shoreline of region 102. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In view of Ide Jima's behavior we now formally contest its right to region 102 and confirm that our naval forces are on patrol off its coast with orders to open fire on any military forces in the area and specifically to destroy any new structures in region 102. We are entirely confident that our forces are more than capable of preventing Ide Jima carrying out its threat to our sea lane. We also formally claim possession of the deep water channel between 102 and Endless Summer. Our forces have used the channels long before Ide Jima even came to exist and we have a far stronger claim to them historically. We look to all sea trading nations to support us in this and assure them that we recognise the right of all nations to trade freely and to use our sea channels for that purpose. Link to comment
Akiiryu Posted March 31, 2005 Author Share Posted March 31, 2005 (edited) To: MicroGlup From: SPA While we support you stance on the Ide Jiman gun batteries and understand your rejection of their claim to 102 we cannot support your claim to the deep water channel between 102 and Endless Summer. To do so would be to make us hypocrites as our objection to Ide Jima's batteries rests on their attempt to control these waters. T'Nith 1st Minister, Akiiryan Baronic Council Edited March 31, 2005 by akiiryu (see edit history) Link to comment
MicroGlup Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Our intention in this is to ensure that the lanes will remain open to all sea traffic We look to all sea trading nations to support us in this and assure them that we recognise the right of all nations to trade freely and to use our sea channels for that purpose. It is quite common for one country to have formal possession of a piece of land, water or air but for it also to be recognised as an international right of way for all nations (in rl you may remember the air road from West Germany to Berlin? MicroGlup is a sea power and this lane is essential to us, however, we also recognise the right of all nations to use it freely. I hope this allays any concerns you mayhave had. Link to comment
Akiiryu Posted March 31, 2005 Author Share Posted March 31, 2005 To: MicroGlup From: SPA Ide Jima has offered similar assurances. We firmly believe the channel should remain international territory. We still, however, support your stance on the building of gun batteries. T'Nith 1st Minister, Akiiryan Baronic Council Link to comment
Europtima Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 While such an enormous nation sch as Ide Jima could throw its weight around militarily, they have chosen not to. Their assurances of peace should be taken at face value, they have shown nothing less than peace so far. As far as the treatment of their native peoples- it has nothing to do with this topic . I agree with limitations on the guns, nothing other than what is necessary for defense. We cannot force a nation to build or not to build something on their own land, it is theirs, it falls under thier government, and their decisions. Fellow nations, you have every right to feel a threat, Ide Jima is a huge nation. However, out of courtesy for their cooperation and peaceful nature, please keep your suspicions to yourself, until warranted. Link to comment
Ide Jima Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Firstly let us be clear on this - region 102 does NOT belong to Ide Jima; it has simply tried to claim it! MicroGlup had already made its position clear ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: Mar 26 2005, 06:37 PM These channels form an essential sea route for both our trade and military forces and any development which threatens our right of access would be seen as a threat to our security and immediately reacted to. We therefore require agreement that this is an international sea route which will not be closed or threatened with closure in any way e.g. the construction of gun enplacements or other miliary establishments on the shoreline of region 102. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In view of Ide Jima's behavior we now formally contest its right to region 102 and confirm that our naval forces are on patrol off its coast with orders to open fire on any military forces in the area and specifically to destroy any new structures in region 102. We are entirely confident that our forces are more than capable of preventing Ide Jima carrying out its threat to our sea lane. We also formally claim possession of the deep water channel between 102 and Endless Summer. Our forces have used the channels long before Ide Jima even came to exist and we have a far stronger claim to them historically. We look to all sea trading nations to support us in this and assure them that we recognise the right of all nations to trade freely and to use our sea channels for that purpose. Guns will be built. They will not fire on any non military vessels. These guns are merely a defensive construction. These are weapons that shall not fire on merchant or friendly/neutral military vessels. I have already expressed my concern over the possible enemy use of these deep water straits for ferrying troops in a case of war. They are built as a measure to ensure that the main gateway to Ide Jima is not left unguarded. I would not like to see the trade in these waters disrupted, if neccesary I would sign a pact confirming that no trade vessels shall be fired at. I would do whatever is neccesary to wave off the 'face value' you have given my reasoning. And Akiiryu my claims to full control of the straits are invalid I shall admit that claim as being a false. The construction of defensive batteries shall go ahead. Any attack on construction works shall be avenged. The Ide Jiman 3rd and 4th fleets are preparing to sail towards the straits to supress any hostile action by the Microglup navy. Link to comment
Amnalos Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 To: The leaders of Ide Jima From: Emperor Kano IV of Amnalos Subject: The Straits To whom it may concern, From the point of view of Amnalos, the Straits are international waters. While repsecting your desire to provide for your own defence, I cannot approve of a series of gun emplacements hanging over the Straits. Exerting effective military control over a vital avenue for international trade goes far beyond national defence. I believe that you are sincere when you say that you will not fire upon trading vessels. However, if Amnalos were in MicroGlup's position and dependent on the Straits being clear for our livelihood, I would not be satisfied with assurances. I would, at the very least, demand a gesture from Ide Jima such as joint control of that section of area 102 that borders on the Straits. With respect, Kano Link to comment
Orioni Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 TO: Ide Jima FROM: Orioni This strait is of extreme importance for the trade between our eastern colony Meda and the Orioni mainland. We have read all your statements regarding the anti shipping batteries you are building and it seems your stance is reasonable. However, we wonder: why build anti shipping batteries if you're not going to fire on any vessels? Our main fear is that you will use your favorable position to control (and possibly limit) the flow of trade through this strait. This is something we dislike. If it is possible, we would like to sign a treaty concerning the use of this strait. Although you seem to be in the most favorable position, we are strong as well: if you were to block our trade, we could do the same to you via the our positions in the northwest (Orioni), east (Meda) and south (Andro). What say you to a treaty? Link to comment
MicroGlup Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Block 102 does not belong to Ide Jima! Microglup will not permit the construction of any fortifications on the straits - we outclass Ide Jima in every respect, numerically, economically and in sheer military strength! Block 102 is well within range of our land based missiles and our naval forces and we will not permit the emplacement of any military forces on block 102. This area is now under constant surveilance and our forces have been ordered to shoot at any "targets of opportunity" within block 102. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: Mar 31 2005, 04:42 PM MicroGlup has placed its armed forces on full alert and intends to launch a pre-emptive strike against Ide Jima at the first sign of any military or construction activity within region 102. We are also placing a total exclusion zone around the coast of region 102 to prohibit the landing of materials which could be of assistance to Ide Jima's plans. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Our naval blockade in now in place and no Ide Jima shipping will be permitted to leave port - it will be sunk without warning! We are confident that no fortification of the area is possible as any Ide Jima weapons will be destroyed before they can be deployed. (OOC - that's the prob with land emplacements, the guns may be bigger but you have to construct the infratructure before you can depoy them - and that can't be done with naval interdiction in place!) Link to comment
Ide Jima Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 However, we wonder: why build anti shipping batteries if you're not going to fire on any vessels? What say you to a treaty? In a case of war I would fire on enemy warships. A traty would appear to be the best way around this, however Microglup wants to use this as an excuse to grab land, the way he is blundering into this matter does not seem to leave much room for a treaty. I could understand why this would be a sensitive issue for nations dependant on the straits, I would sign a pact of assurance, if that is what it takes to show that these are a defensive measure. Link to comment
Ide Jima Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 (edited) Block 102 does not belong to Ide Jima! Microglup will not permit the construction of any fortifications on the straits - we outclass Ide Jima in every respect, numerically, economically and in sheer military strength! Block 102 is well within range of our land based missiles and our naval forces and we will not permit the emplacement of any military forces on block 102. This area is now under constant surveilance and our forces have been ordered to shoot at any "targets of opportunity" within block 102. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: Mar 31 2005, 04:42 PM MicroGlup has placed its armed forces on full alert and intends to launch a pre-emptive strike against Ide Jima at the first sign of any military or construction activity within region 102. We are also placing a total exclusion zone around the coast of region 102 to prohibit the landing of materials which could be of assistance to Ide Jima's plans. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Our naval blockade in now in place and no Ide Jima shipping will be permitted to leave port - it will be sunk without warning! We are confident that no fortification of the area is possible as any Ide Jima weapons will be destroyed before they can be deployed. (OOC - that's the prob with land emplacements, the guns may be bigger but you have to construct the infratructure before you can depoy them - and that can't be done with naval interdiction in place!) Microglup, hear this, You are in no position to dictate what happens in Ide Jima. How do you know you outclass us? We posted not stats, numbers arent everything. Relieve this blockade now, the Ide Jiman navy in Serekan has a large submarine corps, as well as plenty of IJ - 32 shipwreckers. Shoot at any 'targets of opportunity' and we will fire at 2 in Microglup. "Destroying weapons before they can be deployed', sorry but thats bordering on Godmoding. Dont bother blundering into a war, as both me and Orioni have already suggested a pact may be neccesary to resolve this problem. Edited April 1, 2005 by Ide Jima (see edit history) Link to comment
Akiiryu Posted April 1, 2005 Author Share Posted April 1, 2005 (edited) To; All Interested Nations From: SPA Honoured Envoys and Friends, We have read the latest corrospondence with much interest. We feel we must state the following. 1) We are in complete agreement with the governments of Amnalos and Orioni have said and will support either possible solution to this dispute. 2) We recognise Ide Jima's concilitory gesture and thank its government for seeing reason over the intrenational character of the straits. We hope MicroGlup will respond accordingly. 3) The gun batteries are not necessary, if Ide Jima is worried about defending its territory from invasion it is quite capable of doing so with naval and air assets. 4) We remain concerned about the Ide Jima military forces treatment of the native peoples of 46 and 102. Despite the statements of other nations Ide Jima's treatment of these people and its governments statements about these events DO directly relate to the Gun Battery crisis as they provide evidence both of just how much we can trust the government's promises and of it treats the weak/defenseless. The Ide Jima government would seem to have lied on at least one occassion about the events in these areas and its refusla to allow Peace Keepers/International Observers into the areas would seem to indicate it is trying to hide something. T'Nith, 1st Minister, Akiiryan Baronic Council (OOC: I believe that your accusation of Godmoding is out of place Ide Jima. MicroGlup explained his position on this OOC and it is a reasonable stance. I would also be careful about throwing this one around least people take a closer look at those "Shipwreakers". I don't mean this as a threat and I hope you don't take it as one, I just think you've been a little unfair.) Edited April 1, 2005 by akiiryu (see edit history) Link to comment
MicroGlup Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 OOC "Destroying weapons before they can be destroyed', sorry but thats bordering on Godmoding." I suggest you try reading posts before posting this kind of stuff! The original actually reads: "any Ide Jima weapons will be destroyed before they can be deployed." Any military commander knows that a pre-emptive strike against your enemy BEFORE he can deploy his weapons is the quickes and easiest way to win a war ( remember the 7 day war when Isael took out the arab air power in one quick strike before they could get airborne?) Any naval commander also knows that a fleet in port is a sitting target (remember Pearl Harour?) it takes a lot of space to deploy naval forces and a lot of deep water to submerge a submarine - you have no space and cannot submerge till you get out of port and into deep water - in reality you simply cannot deploy your forces unless of course you want to go godmodding! Link to comment
Ide Jima Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 1+2) I agree, A pact would be best. 3) The gun batteries are neccesary, either that or the straits become a DMZ. That waterway is a highway into the heart of Ide Jima. 4) Ide Jiman forces are maintaining a more defensive role in 46, in area 102 Ide Jima has assumed complete control. Link to comment
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