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Good evening @Frisemark. Congratulations on graduating, and thank you for completing your mapplication so thoroughly.

  1. Pop stats: 24,132,927 = 1 point
  2. GDP stats: $28,800 per capita = 3 points
  3. Land stats: 249,282 km2 = 1 point

So this falls within the 4 points you are allotted as starter.

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Next up we have:

  • Culture: you mention “Dano-Norwegian-Faroese crossed with Dutch as the primary core, with Swedish, Finno-Estonian and north German influences” which sounds like a very intriguing melting pot. But I guess that's technically possible? There are some similar cultures nearby. For final validation, I defer to @Xio. Simple yes/no here.
  • Climate: you asked for “cold climate, encompassing vast boreal forests criss-crossed with rocky and jagged fjords and highlands”. So I compared this with the climate map and it looked alright. But you're welcome to double-check. https://iiwiki.us/wiki/Eurth#Climate
  • History: tagging @Iverica and @Neswetej Per Aten to verify this potental shared history.
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@Frisemark Some quick feedback from @Xio regarding the culture.

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That [northwestern] region of Argis is being kept open for potential Slavic countries and countries similar to Iverica. Germanic cultures end westward, at most, in Garindina.

  • Finno-Estonian is in Northern Alharu
  • Nordic is along northern Argis up to north of Garindina
  • Dutch is around the Dolch Sea

With a proposed blend of 8 real-life cultures and counting, how open are you to adding some fictional Slavic elements to the mix?

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On 12/2/2024 at 3:16 PM, Orioni said:

@Frisemark Some quick feedback from @Xio regarding the culture.

With a proposed blend of 8 real-life cultures and counting, how open are you to adding some fictional Slavic elements to the mix?

Many of the cultures are extremely similar with minute differences, I'm not worried about the number of inspirations. As for Slavic elements, Frisemark before coming to Eurth did have an ethnic minority (9-ish % of the population) that was essentially ethnic Russians. It's entirely possible for me to translate some of that and rework it (I had merely planned to retcon it out). As far as Slavic influences on culture/language, the parts inspired by Finno-Estonian are the primary root of that linguistically, whereas for culture there's certain standouts (such as Frisik people preferring tea with honey)

 

My plan had been for proto-Frisik settlers to have come to this area of Argis by sea and settling+expanding over time, eventually replacing much of the proto-Slavs west of the highlands with the aforementioned Slavs in modernity largely focused along the Eastern border. This also translates to the modern period where much of Frisemark's urban centers were in the lowlands and valleys that in ancient times had been colonized (in the Greek way; not later colonial) by proto-Frisik or wrestled control of.

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On 12/3/2024 at 8:57 AM, Frisemark said:

Many of the cultures are extremely similar with minute differences, I'm not worried about the number of inspirations. As for Slavic elements, Frisemark before coming to Eurth did have an ethnic minority (9-ish % of the population) that was essentially ethnic Russians. It's entirely possible for me to translate some of that and rework it (I had merely planned to retcon it out). As far as Slavic influences on culture/language, the parts inspired by Finno-Estonian are the primary root of that linguistically, whereas for culture there's certain standouts (such as Frisik people preferring tea with honey)

 

My plan had been for proto-Frisik settlers to have come to this area of Argis by sea and settling+expanding over time, eventually replacing much of the proto-Slavs west of the highlands with the aforementioned Slavs in modernity largely focused along the Eastern border. This also translates to the modern period where much of Frisemark's urban centers were in the lowlands and valleys that in ancient times had been colonized (in the Greek way; not later colonial) by proto-Frisik or wrestled control of.

The only problem is that getting across from Prymont (closest Nordic state) to your desired location is quite the trip in the pre-colonial period - and then for those groups to completely culturally convert the region into Frisemarkian cultur and language.

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I think a more reasonable demographic breakdown would be for the south coast to be settled primarily by the Frisemark (coming from Ahrana/Dniester in ancient times) and for them to settle the temperate regions of the south, leaving the north sparsely populated by the original Slavic speaking cultures. Maybe with a more modern program of Frisemarkisation of the northern Slavs by the Frisemark government in the works.

Considering your desired location's borders, I'd also want input from @Iverica on this (regarding history and demographics)

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Works for me. And I don't mean to be rude, but just for reference the demonym is "Frisik", not "Frisemarkian."

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I'll review this thread. Thanks

18 hours ago, Xio said:

The only problem is that getting across from Prymont (closest Nordic state) to your desired location is quite the trip in the pre-colonial period - and then for those groups to completely culturally convert the region into Frisemarkian cultur and language.

siaD6R1.png

I think a more reasonable demographic breakdown would be for the south coast to be settled primarily by the Frisemark (coming from Ahrana/Dniester in ancient times) and for them to settle the temperate regions of the south, leaving the north sparsely populated by the original Slavic speaking cultures. Maybe with a more modern program of Frisemarkisation of the northern Slavs by the Frisemark government in the works.

Considering your desired location's borders, I'd also want input from @Iverica on this (regarding history and demographics)

 

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On 12/3/2024 at 4:57 PM, Frisemark said:

Many of the cultures are extremely similar with minute differences, I'm not worried about the number of inspirations. As for Slavic elements, Frisemark before coming to Eurth did have an ethnic minority (9-ish % of the population) that was essentially ethnic Russians. It's entirely possible for me to translate some of that and rework it (I had merely planned to retcon it out). As far as Slavic influences on culture/language, the parts inspired by Finno-Estonian are the primary root of that linguistically, whereas for culture there's certain standouts (such as Frisik people preferring tea with honey)

 

My plan had been for proto-Frisik settlers to have come to this area of Argis by sea and settling+expanding over time, eventually replacing much of the proto-Slavs west of the highlands with the aforementioned Slavs in modernity largely focused along the Eastern border. This also translates to the modern period where much of Frisemark's urban centers were in the lowlands and valleys that in ancient times had been colonized (in the Greek way; not later colonial) by proto-Frisik or wrestled control of.

I think this is mostly fine. We can just talk about migration waves and dates a bit further down the line. The only thing I have to put out there that's relevant to Frisik history are the early human migrations that populated the Peninula and the Transpeninsular part of continental Argis.

 

Reference: https://iiwiki.us/wiki/History_of_Peninsular_Iverica#Peninsular_Prehistory

 

Approved from my end, to get this moving along. Will discuss bilaterally.

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