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The Pojački Rising
Defense Procurement of the Konfederacija Poja



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This thread will be used to detail a series of defense procurement acquisitions by the Konfederacija Poja.  The focus will be upon a modernization of various aspects of the Pojački military in the 21st century.  Most of the procurements will be foreign-sourced but there may be some discussion about domestic weapon systems, such as the ZuB-17 Ter'er.  You can use the chapters below to follow along with the various posts.





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Purchase #1
The Submarine Crisis

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Monday, 12 May 2008 | 09:00 hrs [UTC-3]
Konfederacija Poja, Adjinua, Križetina | PNMF Headquarters

Admiral Zoran Topalčić had only just returned to his office when the phone was ringing and he sighed as he picked it up, looking down at a pile of paperwork that had been steadily growing for the past week.  He'd been unable to make much headway due to being constantly pulled away for this or that reason.  He contemplated ripping out the wire from the phone and requisitioning a repair but he knew they'd repair it within minutes of reporting it; after all, he was one of only three men in the entire navy with the rank of admiral.  He put the handset to his ear and pushed down the disappointment, "Topalčić speaking."

          "Sir, need your attendance in C-245 as soon as possible.  There's a developing situation of the utmost importance."  The voice was one that was all too familiar to Topalčić being that of Komodor Kolent Belushi, the head of the entire navy's maintenance and repair program.  

          "On my way Belushi, give me a few minutes.  Is this going to need coffee?"

          "It's already brewed sir."  That was a bad sign and Topalčić hung up the phone, looked at the paperwork, and gave it the finger before departing his office and walking down to "C" wing where he found room 245 open and awaiting his arrival.  "Coffee sir," Belushi said, handing him a cup.  

          "All right what happened now?"  Topalčić said with disappointment in his voice as he looked at the half-dozen men sitting around the table looking at charts, blueprints, and reading reports.  

          "It's our submarine fleet sir," Belushi picked up a piece of paper and handed it to him, "P-59 was just declared unfit to dive."

          "Dammit," Topalčić looked at the paper.  "Are you kidding me?"  He was looking at a report of all of the listed issues with the aging submarine, a Tango-class purchased from Volsci in the early 1970s to replace an even older fleet of submarines.  The Pojački National Maritime Force had six such vessels in service, three on the Mediargic and three on the Kezanoi and now, thanks to P-59's last failings, only half of the fleet retained its dive certifications.  In the past two years, P-58 and P-62 had lost their certifications.  The submarines were old and they'd been regularly used, which was why they weren't in the best condition anymore.  The shipyards had been working overtime keeping the submarines in seaworthy condition but they finally could do no more.

          "I'm afraid that's only the tip of the iceberg.  P-60 retains her certification but she's going to be restricted to 200 meters.  So far, P-60 and P-61 continue to have full certifications but, out of an abundance of caution, we're going to restrict them down to 200 meters."  The normal diving depth of these vessels was 240 meters and their maximum depth was 300 meters but they were never to exceed 240 meters in peacetime.  By doing so, these vessels had lasted as long as they had.  If they'd gone deeper, the extra wear and tear on the vessels would have put them out of commission long ago.

          "Thank god we're not at war with anyone," Topalčić handed back the piece of paper.  "Losing two submarines was bad enough but now we're down to half our fleet and we're no closer to selecting a replacement," he griped.

          "Sir, at this stage, we need a vessel available as soon as possible.  If we're looking at shelf life, the remaining subs have maybe five years left, based on current inspections.  If we run them to make up for the other three, we're down to three years, maybe less.  I don't think we can stretch past five unless we quite literally leave them tied up in port."

          "We may just have to do that," Topalčić finished the coffee.  "Let's go over the others, I want to see the details to make sure."

          "Aye sir, we have it all ready, if you'll have a seat."

          A few hours later, Topalčić was rubbing his eyes with frustration as he could see that P-57, P-60, and P-61 were all in poor shape themselves.  The amount of equipment that had to be replaced over the past five years was growing by the day.  He was more than a little annoyed to see that P-57's last cruise had left her with only one working reverse osmosis unit and that P-60 was delayed leaving port because the entire toilet system got clogged because of a failed pump unit.  The sonar system on P-61 had failed its latest test and a previously planned replacement of its batteries revealed corrosion in the area.  The PNMF needed new submarines and it needed them a decade ago but the navy wasn't the priority for the military when it came to funding.  That was changing, or so Topalčić had been told but it was taking time.  A small force by nature, the PNMF didn't patrol a vast area, mainly sticking to the Mediargic and Kezanoi Seas.  Though the Keelpijp was technically a patrol zone, the navy had not maintained much of a presence there as its ships aged year over year.


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Thursday, 15 May 2008 | 13:45 hrs [UTC-3]
Konfederacija Poja, Rugi, Central District | Predsjednički Dvori

President Aca Vukašinović had now been in office for seven years and he was looking to extend his second term by yet another term of office when elections came up in 2011.  That was far off in the distance but the man had been concerned about it from day one.  A career politician, he'd been a magnate representing Liaria for fifteen years before he ran for President as the leading candidate for Modern Poja, the country's center-right party.  Ever since the founding of Poja in 1900, only two parties had ever held the presidency, the Pojački Democratic Party (PDS) and Modern Poja (MOP).  The PDS, a centrist party, had held power from 1921 to 1956, a massive block, losing the 1955 general election to MOP.  They regained power in 1986 but lost it again in 2001 to this man, Aca Vukašinović.  Vukašinović wished to herald another long tenure for MOP, which had only held power between 1956 and 1986, a long, three-decade stint, that included the Pojački Emergency and the Chernarussian Conflict.  It was worth nothing that the country's first two Presidents, Kostadin Jelić (1901 - 1914) and Dragan Šaponjić (1914 - 1926) had no party affiliations.  Dragan Šaponjić had been the country's second Vice President, replacing Zdravko Sandić who'd resigned due to old age.  Šaponjić only became President because Jelić died in office.  From there, he won two elections before he was defeated by Danko Krstić in 1925.

          Vukašinović was ushering the country into a new century and had focused his first term on putting the 1990s behind the country and ushering Poja into the 21st century.  Now he was working to expand upon that and to keep Poja competitive in an ever-changing wurld where technology was obsolete within six months and where it outpaced the very laws that had been put in place to protect the people.  That had been Vukašinović's push as head of state, to make sure that Poja's was not being left behind on the wurld stage and with a growing populace in favor of ending Poja's semi-isolationist policies, Vukašinović took it upon himself to push Poja in that very direction.

          Yet that was the furthest thing on his mind as he listened to his military leaders talk about the otherwise pathetic state of affairs for the PNMF.  He'd just been informed that now a third submarine was unable to go out on patrols and thus only three operational submarines remained but even those had restrictions due to their age and the condition of their hulls.  The military had been largely far from Vukašinović's mind throughout his seven years in office.  He'd left things in the hands of his capable Minister of National Defense, Marijan Božanović, but Božanović was now saying that the matter was of the "utmost concern."  "We have to move forward with procuring a new submarine and we need to do it immediately," Božanović was saying from the other end of the table.  "We've had multiple proposals but we're now stuck largely moving on the design that can be delivered the fastest, not necessarily the design that is best for Poja."

          "What are our options then?  We need to maintain a naval presence in our two seas, it is imperative that we protect the shores of Poja from foreign aggressors," Vukašinović heard himself saying.  "What is our top choice then in the matter?"

          "The Iverican company of Subic Naval Yards offers an export version of their Tiburón-class attack submarine.  We maintained good relations with the Ivericans and so that is our most logical choice.  We have reviewed designs from Volsci and Gallambria as well.  The Volscian design is less capable than the Iverican ones and the Gallambrian design is double the cost.  Given we need to procure six vessels, we would be hard pressed to afford six Trebuchet-class submarines from the Gallambrians," Božanović explained, wishing he'd have pushed for this harder when the first submarine lost its dive certification.  He'd been forced to choose between that and a major upgrade program for the army.  Then again, when the second submarine lost its dive certification, he'd been forced to choose between a major upgrade for the air force.  The navy was always shortchanged and now it was too late.

          "What are we looking at from a cost point of view then with the Iverican design?"

          "Three to four hundred million each.  In truth sir, we need eight submarines but as of right now we can only afford six."

          "Should we procure these now, what is the future for the remaining two?"

          "We would be waiting until the 2020s sir.  Ideally, we would sell off these six and procure eight new vessels.  Technology is changing rapidly but we cannot afford to maintain pace with it at present.  Our choice will be highly capable but there are significantly better and more capable choices out there at present, especially in the area of air independent propulsion."

          "What is that?"

          "Well sir, your typical conventional submarine can only stay underwater for a few days before its batteries need to be recharged.  During this time, it has to rise up to near the surface and run a snorkel to pull air into the system so that it can run on diesel power.  Diesel power is noisy sir and noise is the biggest enemy of a submarine.  Air independent propulsion, or AIP, designs can stay down two, three, potentially even four weeks for some of the bigger designs."

          "And we won't be able to procure this?"

          "Not right now sir, the technology is new and few nations offer it within our time frame.  The Iverican design is comparable to its AIP designs.  In a way sir, it's a more reliable submarine since the AIP systems are new and bound to suffer reliability issues as the technology matures.  In the 2020s, this technology should be more than mature enough for us to procure such a vessel."

          "Then I don't see a choice in the matter.  How long will it take to receive the first submarine?"

          "Three to five years, the sooner we want it, the more it's going to cost.  We are going to propose receiving two submarines on an expedited time scale, which will cost more, and then the rest on a more normal time scale so that we can get operations up and running as soon as possible.  We'll also consider requesting leasing operations to bridge the gap, if they are available.  Ideally sir, we're allocating Đ3 billion to this program."

          "Not a small chunk of change," Vukašinović said, wondering what sacrifices in the budget would have to be made to ensure that the PNMF maintained subsurface capabilities.  "Let's not delay, we're in a tight spot with no alternatives and time is not on our side.  Reach out to the Ivericans as soon as possible and let's get the ball rolling.  It might take a year just to work through the particulars."  Heads nodded around the room and the military representatives, more than pleased by the agreement, were already writing the communique mentally.


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The Office of the Minister of National Defense
20 MAY 2008

Roberto Gutierress-Sanso, Director, Friendly Forces Development Office
Mnistry of Armed Forces, L'República Iverica

Dear Defense Minister & Mr Gutierress-Sanso of L'República @Iverica:

I am writing to you on behalf of the Pojački National Maritime Force as the appointed representative of the Konfederacija Poja on matters of defense procurement.

I would like to meet with you in person at a time and location of your comfort to discuss the procurement of six, conventional attack submarines from Subic Naval Yards.  These vessels, export versions of your Tiburón-class, have been selected by leaders of the Pojački National Maritime Force as the most ideal choice for the replacement of our Tango-class submarines currently in service.

I look forward to your reply and I wish to extend my gratitude in honoring this request.

Minister of National Defense, Marijan Božanović, on behalf of the people of the Konfederacija Poja

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OOC: I'm keeping up the pace and tone of the letter of interest sent. There is a whole process for this but it doesn't have to be RP'd because it is just meetings, quant, and bureaucracy. This can serve as your confirmation that the transaction went through. Since we're selling a non-AIP variant with a custom drive system and non-magnetic hull I can provide some extra details where needed for the S-210E at the buyer's discretion.

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Purchase #2
Watching the Skies

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Tuesday, 7 October 2014 | 09:00 hrs [UTC-3]
Konfederacija Poja, Rugi, Obrenošanj District | Ministry of National Defense

"Maršal, please allow me to introduce you to Major Czarniecki, he is the current head of our procurement officer."  The two men shook hands rather than salute since the major wasn't reporting to the man being introduced to him by the Minister of National Defense, Vlado Stevanović.

          "Sir, it is an honor thank you for your time," Czarniecki said as he shook the man's hand.  He was in the presence of Slavko Kuzmanović, a man with a legend as big as his smile, and who carried the rank of avijacija maršal or air marshal.  He was in charge of the entire Pojački National Air Force, a position that no one earned no matter how much political clout they had.  Kuzmanović was an esteemed fighter pilot.  He graduated top of his class in 1976 and flew the L-7 Fishbed until the introduction of the L-13 Ter'er in 1993.  Then a potpukovnik, he took over command of the 51st Tactical Fighter Squadron, the Grim Reapers, and became the first class of pilots to fly the radically different L-13A Ter'er.  He set up the training program and flew the jet for another three years before being promoted to pukovnik.  Much to the dismay of his executive officer, he managed to hold command over the 51st TFS for another four years before he finally received his first star.  Now, fourteen years later, he was halfway through his four-year term as the head of the air force and his flying days were long since behind him.

          "Absolutely major," he took a seat, "it's thanks to your predecessors that we got the Ter'er and for that I'll be forever in debt to this office."  He smiled, the smile of a fighter pilot that earned him a lot of company during the nights in his flying days.  He'd never settled down until he received his first star, choosing to live the bachelor's life with the intermittent significant other throughout his twenty-four years of flying.  "So, what do you have for us today?"

          "It's concerning our airborne early warning systems sir.  Our systems are currently twenty years old and while we've been keeping them updated, we are reaching the limits that we can do with both the platforms and the radars.  In our estimations, in the next four years they will need to begin replacement and will be considered obsolete and ineffective in the next ten years."

          "Major how can that be?  I've been aboard these platforms; they are highly capable.  In fact, think about the nations using Sentry platforms that have been in service for two decades longer, since the 1970s.  How are our platforms needing replacement?"

          "It has to do with the limitations on the platforms sir.  The Sentry systems have been receiving updates just the same but they are massive systems with significant room for growth and they operate on much larger crews and those nations that operate them tend to have a dozen or more that they can keep in the air at all times.  Our platforms are significantly smaller in size, run a smaller crew, do not have much further room for growth, and we only have six of them.  We have enough to maintain coverage at all times as we need but we're going to be running into the limitations of both the radar and the platform very soon if we want to keep it updated for emerging threats: newer ballistic missiles, low-observable cruise missiles, fifth-generation fighters, and so on sir."

          "What do you make of this?"  Kuzmanović asked, turning to the minister who was sitting beside him at the table.

          "I've seen the figures maršal and they're not insignificant.  Nations around the wurld are updating their early warning systems and given the sheer number of threats in our region, it behooves us to stay ahead of the others."

          "Well, there's no doubts in my mind on that regard but tell me, is it really necessary right now?  The navy is currently winning the budget battles and why shouldn't they, the navy is older than I am," everyone shared a quick laugh, "surely those rust buckets will take precedent in any budget battle."

          "They will maršal and that is why we need to approach this problem now so that when the funds are available, the air force is 'next in line.'  It's difficult for me to balance all of the needs of our military against our budgetary constraints, trust me you do not envy my position but I understand the need for longer term planning.  I've been in this position four years now myself and I can see some of the neglect from my predecessors.  Well," he reviewed his words, "maybe not neglect but their priorities were on other things."

          "I see, very well, major what are our options?"

          "Well sir we have two major radar options that we consider feasible.  The most cost-effective solution is a major upgrade to our existing radar.  We are currently limited to operating at six thousand meters, which gives us a detection range with our current system of roughly three to four hundred kilometers.  Our current radar, if placed on another platform that could fly higher would not do significantly better and while it has ship-tracking capabilities, we could see those erode as nations adopt more and more warships aimed at reducing their radar signature.  An improved radar and the ability to fly higher would increase this detection range by almost one hundred kilometers against ships and as much as 150 kilometers against aircraft."

          "That is significant major and what are we looking at for a cost there?"

          "Well sir it would require a newer platform.  Altitude is a major limit for our current platform.  As you're aware, it's based on a regional, turboprop airliner.  We have a stretched variant that could hold this radar but altitude would only increase about fifteen hundred meters, which would not give us the ranges I quoted before.  We would need to adopt a new, jet-powered platform, which many of the nations in the wurld are doing that currently operate these smaller airborne early warning systems.  Ideally sir, we would adopt from a jet-powered regional airliner or business jet to gain a cruising altitude of eleven thousand meters, an increase of five thousand meters over where we currently stand.  With that, we could gain up to 550 kilometers against aircraft and 375 kilometers against ships.  Obviously, low-observable systems are much less.  

          "This improved radar gives a significant increase in capabilities against cruise missiles and other low-flying targets thanks to improvements in processing ground clutter.  There is even an option for a second radar to focus on maritime surveillance, which would greatly increase anti-ship capabilities.  Theoretically sir, it could detect a periscope from a submarine if it were close enough.  For each of these platforms, we could be looking at between Đ250 and 500 million, there is a significant variance in the cost projections over this time frame.  We would need six as a base and likely eight by the end of the 2020s to maintain the necessary posture."

          "Between two and four billion, these systems don't come cheap maršal."

          "They do not and procurement would be domestic for these?"

          "For the radar it would, for the platform we would have to purchase from a foreign entity, which is why the cost estimates vary so much."

          "Would that present a problem from a foreign relations point of view Minister?"

          "None at all, in fact we would look to sell the systems we currently have to see if we can recoup some of the costs.  We estimate that we could sell them for fifty to sixty million apiece, not much against the overall upgrade cost but it is something to help with budget approvals."

          "Okay what is our other option then?  Know the cost of this option is between two and four billion, plus whatever added costs we would see for an additional two aircraft, presumably manpower costs?" 

          "Mostly manpower costs yes as we are currently staffed for the maintenance of six not eight aircraft but of course spare parts, et cetera sir.  The second option is a massive deviation sir to a significantly larger platform.  That will mean larger crew and cost requirements, obviously larger maintenance requirements so it will be more expensive overall.  That being said, the capabilities match the price tag.

          "Operating from ten thousand meters we could be looking at detection ranges in excess of six hundred kilometers with passive detection out past eight hundred.  We would see improved performance against maritime objects, especially low observable objects and the ability to track and detect significantly more targets.  The aircraft would also form an airborne battlespace platform for coordination in massive air campaigns, which would allow us to conduct more sorties at once, more than our air force is currently capable of due to airframe quantities, which would work well with future expansions.  It would also given us significantly better capabilities against our neighbors.  As a larger platform as well, this gives us a longer mission time at a further range and more room for future expansion to the capabilities.  It will also be a new airframe but will require complete foreign procurement.  We cannot develop this domestically nor would we want to as it would be more costly to do so.  It is currently already in production and the procurement of which would run four to seven hundred million each, potentially more depending on costs at the time of adoption."

          "You're referring to the Kestral aren't you?"

          "Yes sir I am, currently in production with the United Kingdom of Gallambria, a nation we've had good relations with and have procured systems from before."

          "I see, the capabilities of the Kestral are significant.  What would our procurement needs be?"

          "Four initially, potentially up to six by the end of the 2020s.  The reduction in air frames would not necessarily reduce maintenance and manpower needs over our current six.  Overall, it would be a more expensive system to procure and to operate but it would give us better future flexibility.  Just by operating in international airspace, we would be able to detect enemy bombers likely before they reached their launch points for cruise missiles."

          "This is a lot to consider," Kuzmanović said but I believe we're already wedded to the concept of replacing these aircraft?"

          "Not entirely but maršal we're leaning that way of course," the minister answered, "I do not believe it will happen in our terms but perhaps in those who succeed us.  The major may even be a pukovnik by then."  

          "It will certainly take some time sirs but this is where we need to begin."

          "All right let's proceed ahead major, how long will it take to present a proposal on both options?"

          "It shouldn't take very long sir, certainly by the end of the year."

          "Very well go ahead and proceed, we'll consider this an open topic until then and approach it when we have all of the relevant information for an RFP."  The men stood and shook hands again, leaving the major in the room to gather his papers and notes.

          Over the next coming months and into 2015, the air force would seriously look at the two proposals but it wouldn't be until 2016 that they'd finally made their decision and as much as the bean counters in the budget office wanted to procure the former system, when weighed against not only the needs of the air force but against the future, perceived needs, the Kestral won handsomely.


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The Office of the President
23 June 2016

Defence Equipment Sales & Support Agency
Ministry of Defence
Building 4 (04-C-26)
JDE High Lycombe
United Kingdom of @Gallambria

Head of Foreign Sales and Support:

The Konfederacija Poja has recently reviewed its airborne early warning and control capabilities and found the need to procure a replacement platform of suitable capabilities so as to service the needs of the Pojački National Air Force (PNAF) for the foreseeable future.  That review has led the PNAF to select the E-8 Kestral platform from Gardner Aerospace, which are believe is available for foreign export.

In lieu of these needs, the Ministry of National Defense (MNO) wishes to inquire as to the availability and purchase requirements for four (4) aircraft to be delivered every two years beginning in 2020 with the final aircraft delivered in 2026.  We would also like to retain the option for an additional two (2) aircraft to be purchased at a future time should our needs for a six-aircraft fleet arise.  Along with the purchase of airframes, the MNO is looking to purchase necessary replacement parts, training programs, and certification programs to ensure that the PNAF can operate and maintain the Kestral to a high degree of readiness at all times.

Specifics to the needs of the Kestral can be discussed at a future time after the necessary NDAs are signed between all parties.  Please advise to us the necessary details for the procurement of the Kestral platform as outlined above at your earliest convenience.

Honorable, Vlado Stevanović, the Minister of National Defense of the Konfederacija Poja, on behalf of the people of the Konfederacija Poja



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