[OOC Planning] Colonialization, Independence & Post-Colonialism Immigration of the United Republic

[United Republic]

So, this is just a quicker way to coordinate the historical settlement of the United Republic, including when colonialization/settling could've been done, and after independence, some post-colonialism immigration waves, with earlier immigrants having some pretty obvious impact on the United Republic's culture in modern times.

 

The rough idea

The idea is that the Anglian Empire would've begun to take settlements over in the 1760s in a bid to gain more control over the land that compromises the United Republic and to have a foothold in Aurelia. Due to the distance, the Anglian Empire would've installed a Governor of sorts, who in turn would've installed subordinates to administer the various settlements and colonies now taken over by the Anglian Empire, however, this Governor and his hand-picked subordinates would've decided to rule with an iron fist, whereas before the settlements enjoyed relatively a ton of autonomy, had a better relationship with the Natives, and accepted the Wajokan settlers, the Anglian Empire's Governor has had other plans. The relationship with the natives was strained, and the Wajokans were treated as cheap labor by the governor's policy, aside from that, the governor/crown implemented hefty tariffs, and stifled trade routes with other nations, prioritizing the Anglian Empire and appeasing the Crown first. In 1777, this boiled into a declaration of independence by the original settlements and colonies, including the odd Anglian settlement here and there, This was seen as open rebellion, and thus a revolution that took 9 years was the result, with a United Republic victory, and thus, an independent, new nation.

Coordinating the Colonialization of the United Republic

The following nations are, so far, the original colonizers/settlers of the United Republic: @Seylos, @Iverica, @Gotneska, @Wajoka, @Anglian Empire, and @Ahrana. I am open to 1 or 2 other minor settlers.

In any case, the Anglian Empire would be gobbling up the settlements in the 1760s, (they're the aggressor colonial, not Seylos). What I need to know, is when Seylos, Iverica, and Ahrana would've settled the lands that constitute the United Republic. I've spoken with Gotneska and picked 1741 for their settlement. I will be picking some dates for Wajoka and the Anglian Empire. I'd also like to know who from the mentioned countries would've made the voyage to the United Republic to settle it in the first place, perhaps some ideas for some settlement names wouldn't be too bad either, although I've assigned Liberty (not!Boston) and New Chester (not!New York) to Seylos, and will be assigning Springfield (not!Philadelphia) to Gotneska, while Grant (the Capital) is a planned city, it's not!Arlington would most likely be the Wajokan Settlement. For others, As for where these explorers and settlers would've landed exactly, I'll be making and picking that as I develop my map.

Post Independence Immigration

So, I've decided, with @Garindina, that they aren't original settlers, due to how the timing wouldn't work out, instead, post-revolution they would be lending a port in 1857 til say 1866, bolstering trade, it wouldn't be far fetched that Garindinian port workers would thus have settled and grow communities around the port, establishing a Garindinian diaspora in the United Republic, which as I've discussed with Garindina would've been bolstered in the late 1980s due to their civil war, for the same, Gotneska will have a substantial diaspora in the United Republic post-colonization as well, with their civil war causing an influx in the late 70s.

I'd be interested in hosting other nation's diaspora as well, so this is your chance.

 

 

 

[Kolhar]

Given the proximity of our two countries, there could be a Kolhari diaspora as well. Not sure how big it would be though.

From where I see it, there could be two different times for Kolhari diaspora to arrive in your country.

1. Late-1800's to 1930's/1940's: Would depend on your countries immigration laws as well, but during this time Kolhar would have been a protectorate of @Mito. Thus, people could try to escape for a number of reasons. Depending on how harsh the Mitonese government wants to crack down on these people, they could be independence advocates that are fleeing from the authorities. They could also be political opposition figures of some other sort (say, anti-monarchists). Or they could just be looking for a better life abroad.
2. 1960's-onwards: Post-independence, Kolhar would fall into a dictatorship ruled by a party that is proto-fascist in ideology. However, this party would only gain power because they had an outsized influence in the independence struggle after joining in support of the King of Kolhar at the time. The only reason why they are the ruling party is because the King of Kolhar made them so before he abdicated his position post-independence. At first, this would decrease the amount of people leaving Kolhar, as the King would assume the new title of Davil and rule as more of a benevolent dictator of a military junta than the dictator fascist totalitarian state. But as soon as he dies things would start to go downhill, as the Kolhari Advancement Party forces through one of their hardliners into the position of Davil over the former King's favored successor. From there, the country just descends into an absolute totalitarian dictatorship. As such, there could be a new wave of emigrants - mostly refugees/defectors forced to leave Kolhar due to their political stances and/or activities.

If you want to spice things up a bit in terms of specific makeup, then post-1960's some groups in Kolhar might be slightly over-represented in this diaspora. For example, according to traditional Kolhari history, the Samoro clan of Kolhar would be the only clan not descended from an ancient Kolhari warrior, but rather the "original inhabitants" of the island before the first Kolhari settlers. Kolhari Advancement Party ideology openly claims the Okla clan is "superior" to all other clans (no real basis to these claims, they're just bigots) and as such, the Samoro would already face discrimination in some parts of the country. So they would probably be more inclined to flee the country post-1960's. Additionally, the Tikist religious minority would strongly inclined to flee, as according to the Qodist majority they are the equivalent of devil-worshipers. Though the Kolhari Advancement Party takes no official stance on religion, they would likely tolerate if not tacitly approve of discrimination against Tikists, leading to them also being more likely to flee from the 1960's onwards.

Depends on what you want though.

As a side note, Kolhar is currently going through a civil war between the totalitarian government and democracy-seeking rebels. In terms of how this relates to the whole immigration/diaspora thing, I think you can see where I'm going with it so I'll leave it at that.

Edited September 9, 2023 by Kolhar (see edit history)

[Orioni]

On 9/9/2023 at 4:34 AM, Kolhar said:

the Samoro clan of Kolhar would be the only clan not descended from an ancient Kolhari warrior, but rather the "original inhabitants" of the island before the first Kolhari settlers.

Interesting. One could see a link with that name Samoro.

On 9/9/2023 at 1:34 AM, United Republic said:

I'd be interested in hosting other nation's diaspora as well, so this is your chance.

Sure. How many % Orinese people are you open to hosting in your country?

Regarding the discussion about Wajoka, and how far they'd need to travel to reach your country: perhaps you can replace that ethnic minority with the one I propose?

[United Republic]

@Orioni

Depending on when the orioni started to immigrate, perhaps a 6% ish? I'd be interested to know a bit more about the Orioni Culture and what I should compare it with IRL.
As for Wajoka, unless it's another African-type nation, I'm not sure if I'd switch it out, I have a pretty decent idea, and Xio said that theoretically, Wajokans could've made the trek to the Aurelian west coast. If you want to be a minor colonizer, that would be okay, but I think that replacing Wajoka outright isn't in the books.

[United Republic]

@Kolhar

I'm okay with an immigration wave from Kolhar during the late 1800s/early 1900s, and perhaps influxes past that point.

perhaps they could make 3% of the population?

[Ahrana]

@United Republic,So are you till wanting original settlers or anything like that. If so I am open to the idea.

 

Edited September 16, 2023 by Ahrana (see edit history)

[United Republic]

43 minutes ago, Ahrana said:

@United Republic,So are you till wanting original settlers or anything like that. If so I am open to the idea.

Yeah @Ahrana, I do have a spot for the Ahranian Settlement already 

[Florentia]

@United Republic

Hello. I can propose a late immigration from Florentia. In the 1910's to the 1930's, the economic situation in Florentia seriously began to collapse so a lot of Florentians just fled their home to find work, either in the wild north, either in the big Florentian cities, either in foreign countries.

Florentian culture is based on the Louisianian Creoles and Cajuns. I could understand if you don't agree to add them because Florentians tend to be very jalous on their own culture and not to integrate, or at least to regroup in Florentian communities (unless your government activly repressed them like the Unites States did with the Cajuns and the Creoles). Let's say it's a noisy minority.

Also, there is a possibility (you can keep it if you want or not) that some Florentian communities are still mostly self-sufficient and living in a subsistance economy, since it's still very common in Florentia. As you wish.

It also means that Florentians are very good setlers so maybe your government could have used them to populate some "uncivilized" area ? Again, as you wish.

Edited September 17, 2023 by Florentia (see edit history)

[United Republic]

5 hours ago, Florentia said:

Hello. I can propose a late immigration from Florentia. In the 1910's to the 1930's, the economic situation in Florentia seriously began to collapse so a lot of Florentians just fled their home to find work, either in the wild north, either in the big Florentian cities, either in foreign countries.

I'd be fine with that

 

5 hours ago, Florentia said:

Florentian culture is based on the Louisianian Creoles and Cajuns. I could understand if you don't agree to add them because Florentians tend to be very jalous on their own culture and not to integrate, or at least to regroup in Florentian communities (unless your government activly repressed them like the Unites States did with the Cajuns and the Creoles). Let's say it's a noisy minority.

I don't have a problem with having Louisianian Creoles/Cajuns in my country, i'm not sure what you meant with jealous though. As for whether they integrate, I think over time they would have to. The United Republic would not repress them

 

5 hours ago, Florentia said:

Also, there is a possibility (you can keep it if you want or not) that some Florentian communities are still mostly self-sufficient and living in a subsistance economy, since it's still very common in Florentia. As you wish.

I think this wouldn't be the case now. I also can't stress this but slavery wouldn't be a thing.

 

 

[Florentia]

1 hour ago, United Republic said:

i'm not sure what you meant with jealous though. As for whether they integrate, I think over time they would have to. The United Republic would not repress them

By "jealous", I mean that Lysians of Florentia would still keep their original language, aka some Lysian creole, even if they will likely integrate a few foreign words. A good comparison would be Quebecans : they speak their own version of French, and even integrated some English words to their language. Obviously, Florentians would still learn Anglian (simply because they need to) but their maternal language will always stay Lysian creole.

1 hour ago, United Republic said:

I think this wouldn't be the case now. I also can't stress this but slavery wouldn't be a thing.

Oki. And don't worry about slavery, most Florentians don't care about. The one caring about is the nobility, which wasn't part of the 1910's-1930's Florentian diaspora. The only thing which might be a problem is that Florentians are staunch monarchist but, since they wouldn't be able to do much about it any way, it doesn't really matter.

Edited September 17, 2023 by Florentia (see edit history)

[Kolhar]

On 9/9/2023 at 3:46 PM, United Republic said:

@Kolhar

I'm okay with an immigration wave from Kolhar during the late 1800s/early 1900s, and perhaps influxes past that point.

perhaps they could make 3% of the population?

I'm alright with this. As we discussed on discord, 2% of the population sounds fine to me as well.

Do you know around where they would be settling? I'm wondering if there'd be like "Kolhartown" or something like that in some cities.

[United Republic]

2 minutes ago, Kolhar said:

I'm alright with this. As we discussed on discord, 2% of the population sounds fine to me as well.

Do you know around where they would be settling? I'm wondering if there'd be like "Kolhartown" or something like that in some cities.

Probably New Chester City