map application Federal Republic of Saphieron

[Rozzaria]

Nation on Eurth: Federal Republic of Saphieron

National Flag: https://content.invisioncic.com/r278479/monthly_2023_03/redesign.png.d841fc26e01ed8838dbb8738cc90a7f9.png

Capital Name: Libertecastle

Capital Location: Coastline (Like DC)

Starter Stats: Pop = 1, GDP = 2, Land = 1 (total 4)

Culture: East Asian primarily, non-Christian beliefs (any clarifications regarding culture and religion, refer to my vision statement or just ask me if anything comes to mind) 

Climate & Geography: The nation is an archipelagic by nature, with lush forests supporting a diverse marine and plant life. the Lanbaoshi coast to the east harbors beautiful beaches and rich natural resources. 30 percent of the country is mountainous, with Mount Tiankong in the south towering over the rest. The country has a cold, breezy, and temperate with subtropical climate.

History: 

The Saphieron Republic originated when Chinese tribes from eastern Alharu, with their primitive boats migrated to a land somewhere in the Gulf of Auriel, just south of Tiauhai sea, this land, they called it “Helina”, in Helina they made their home and more of their kin migrated there over time, Helina was also inhabited by the native Japanese, so many Chinese tribes traded and warred with the Japanese tribes, eventually this resulted intermixing between the two cultures, most inherited either Chinese characteristic and others Japanese, this formed the basic societal framework of the land.

In a span of a thousand years or so small, some influential tribes grew in to city states, until more city states were formed one by one, one city grew to prominence over the others, the city of Grevla, where rulers rule through diplomacy rather than military force, other powerful autocratic states envied Grevla and allied with each other, a huge alliance was made. Years later, his resulted in the defeat of Grevla and her allies, and society was set back and barbarity ruled the land, Hundreds of years later, after the “Grand War” (the war between Grevla and the Red Sword Alliance), the “Ideological Revolution” happened, a series of civil wars and revolutions happened to many nations which eventually became the downfall of autocrats and monarchs, the land grew tired and exhausted as some nations fell into ruin and anarchy, the new and old leaders of countries from all four corners of the land came together out of necessity to form a single united unit, a single regionwide country, through their blessings, and the will of the people, a foundation was built into what will become modern Saphieron.

refer to this link for a more detailed one, (https://www.nationstates.net/nation=saphieron/detail=factbook/id=main)

Front Desk: & Vision Statement also below

Desired Location: (optional) = Preferably between Alharu and Aurelia, the island cluster beside "sunset sea islands", if there are better areas befitting my nation, pls do consult me:) 

Other Critical Information: (optional) = I would like to be placed near active Rpers so it wont get boring for me. (it is said that the region between alharu and aurelia is pretty active so I'll take their word for that). Lastly, I am very particular with in which area my nation is placed without sacrificing "medium sized nation", which means, I'm hesitant to go for a smaller border.

Edited March 26, 2023 by Saphieron (see edit history)

[Tagmatium Rules]

13 hours ago, Saphieron said:

Nation on Eurth: Federal Republic of Saphieron

National Flag: https://content.invisioncic.com/r278479/monthly_2023_03/redesign.png.d841fc26e01ed8838dbb8738cc90a7f9.png

Capital Name: Libertecastle

Capital Location: Coastline (Like DC)

Starter Stats: Pop = 1, GDP = 2, Land = 1 (total 4)

Culture: East Asian primarily, non-Christian beliefs (any clarifications regarding culture and religion, refer to my vision statement or just ask me if anything comes to mind) 

Climate & Geography: The nation is an archipelagic by nature, with lush forests supporting a diverse marine and plant life. the Lanbaoshi coast to the east harbors beautiful beaches and rich natural resources. 30 percent of the country is mountainous, with Mount Tiankong in the south towering over the rest. The country has a cold, breezy, and temperate with subtropical climate.

History: 

The Saphieron Republic originated when Chinese tribes from eastern Alharu, with their primitive boats migrated to a land somewhere in the Gulf of Auriel, just south of Tiauhai sea, this land, they called it “Helina”, in Helina they made their home and more of their kin migrated there over time, Helina was also inhabited by the native Japanese, so many Chinese tribes traded and warred with the Japanese tribes, eventually this resulted intermixing between the two cultures, most inherited either Chinese characteristic and others Japanese, this formed the basic societal framework of the land.

In a span of a thousand years or so small, some influential tribes grew in to city states, until more city states were formed one by one, one city grew to prominence over the others, the city of Grevla, where rulers rule through diplomacy rather than military force, other powerful autocratic states envied Grevla and allied with each other, a huge alliance was made. Years later, his resulted in the defeat of Grevla and her allies, and society was set back and barbarity ruled the land, Hundreds of years later, after the “Grand War” (the war between Grevla and the Red Sword Alliance), the “Ideological Revolution” happened, a series of civil wars and revolutions happened to many nations which eventually became the downfall of autocrats and monarchs, the land grew tired and exhausted as some nations fell into ruin and anarchy, the new and old leaders of countries from all four corners of the land came together out of necessity to form a single united unit, a single regionwide country, through their blessings, and the will of the people, a foundation was built into what will become modern Saphieron.

refer to this link for a more detailed one, (https://www.nationstates.net/nation=saphieron/detail=factbook/id=main)

Front Desk: & Vision Statement also below

Desired Location: (optional) = Preferably between Alharu and Aurelia, the island cluster beside "sunset sea islands", if there are better areas befitting my nation, pls do consult me:) 

Other Critical Information: (optional) = I would like to be placed near active Rpers so it wont get boring for me. (it is said that the region between alharu and aurelia is pretty active so I'll take their word for that). Lastly, I am very particular with in which area my nation is placed without sacrificing "medium sized nation", which means, I'm hesitant to go for a smaller border.

Thanks for the application!

As a word of warning, our Cartographer is currently out of his home country and will be away for a bit. They will get back to you as soon as possible!

[Xio]

Congratulations on graduating from the academy, and sorry for delays I was out of the country for the week.

Stats
Stats are alright, just remember to choose some numbers for your population and GDP per capita before you start RPing. I'd recommend looking at the lists of real wurld countries GDP per capita and population density to find out what suits you best. regarding land area, you chose 1 point in land area, giving you a possible range of 90,000 - <260,000km^2.

Culture & History
Funny enough, Saphieron would not be the first old-age migration of the Chinese from eastern Alharu into the northern islands of Aurelia, as there also exists Giokto south of Esonice, a southern Min nation. Perhaps these !Chinese tribes, separate from the Huang of @Fulgistan, did not migrate alone? 😜. Due south of Giokto is the homeland of the !Japanese on Eurth (Mitonese).

Climate & Geography, Desired Location
Unfortunately a lot of the islands south of the Tiauhai sea are arid in nature, ranging from savannah to desert. Nevertheless I'll see what I can do.

Below I have proposed 3 locations for your country. Once you've chosen one (or none) of the proposed locations, I will request consent from your would-be neighbours, and afterwards we can tweak borders and add your cities in Discord.

Proposal 1 - Southern Tiauhai

With a land area of 97,450km^2, your country would occupy islands with tropical savannah climates, so perhaps not the biodiversity you would've want, but besides that it matches your desired history and cultural makeup.

Proposal 2 - Eastern Tiauhai

Secondly with 95,310km^2 of land, your country would have a diverse variation in climate. Your south-western most island would possess a southern Chinese-like climate, perfect for large subtropical rainforests. The other islands would be a mix of savannah, steppe, and desert. The location also works similar to proposal 1. Unfortunately I believe @Esonice was pretty adamant about wanting those islands east of their nation. However, I'll leave this proposal up in case either of you want to try come up with a compromise.

Proposal 3 - Northern Tiauhai

Lastly with 259,300km^2 is on the Cashari island. This one I'm a bit iffy on, but nevertheless it brings in some interesting conflict to the area. @Florentia is a slaver state who'd be more than happy to try in the past to annex your nation's land. The southern coastline of the Cashari island is similar to southern China, like proposal 2, though your north-western coastline would be a desert. The only part I'm iffy on is that its quite far away from Giokto, the other Chinese ancient migratory state. Also it's not a collection of islands like you desired. Nevertheless I think it'd bring some intrigue to the area.

[Florentia]

Hello and welcome back to Eurth.

About the third location, I would like to remind that one of my wishes for the Cashari island is that I want the natives to be Amerindian-inspired cultures. So, even if there can be an important amount of Mitonese or Esonian (depends on what you take, knowing Esonians are slavo-japanese) and Min, you will have to have at least a few amerindians if you take location three.

Plus, Florentia has an agressive colonial history during the XIXth century and it is very likely that, as a neighbooring country, my government would have subjugated or conquered Saphieron in the past.

Edited March 28, 2023 by Florentia (see edit history)

[Rozzaria]

Hello I would like to get option 1

If you could include some of the larger island(s) west of me that would be great (to make it more complete if possible), I'll leave it to your capable hands.

for the GDP (2 points) pls max this, as high as you can get according to the rules. (I think it was 20,000 max) (an example would be "Barbados")

@Xio

 

 

[Xio]

5 minutes ago, Saphieron said:

Hello I would like to get option 1

If you could include some of the larger island(s) west of me that would be great (to make it more complete if possible), I'll leave it to your capable hands.

for the GDP (2 points) pls max this, as high as you can get according to the rules. (I think it was 20,000 max) (an example would be "Barbados")

@Xio

 

 

Those islands west of you were left because I believe both @Mito and @Kolhar had some plans in that general are and I wanted to leave them some islands in case they wished to continue with them.
Speaking of those two, they will have 5 days to respond to provide consent (by the 2nd of April), otherwise consent will be implied through apathy.

[Kolhar]

The discussion between me and @Mito(and also potentially @Esonice) was to have those islands be the homeland of the Seng dynasty, which historically would have at one point been a strong cultural influence point in the region, being the reason why things like kanji spread to Mito. The discussion was also to potentially put an NPC there at one point to help explain the lore.

Things will need to be discussed more before I fully agree to anything. I'm not fully back yet, but will be soon, so hopefully the three of us (me, Mito, and @Saphieron) can discuss things soon.

[Rozzaria]

1 hour ago, Xio said:

Those islands west of you were left because I believe both @Mito and @Kolhar had some plans in that general are and I wanted to leave them some islands in case they wished to continue with them.
Speaking of those two, they will have 5 days to respond to provide consent (by the 2nd of April), otherwise consent will be implied through apathy.

I'll just have the option 1 without any map revisions then, I'll work with it since i think its the only one without any conflicts that changes my history or any other thing (which i do need to revise to fit in with eurth lore, this includes some part of history, culture etc.)

[Mito]

Sorry for the late reply. This really escaped my notice during a hectic week. My opinion is the same as Kolhar's in that my approval would depend on some discussion over the integration of Saphieron into the regional lore of Thalassa. Primarily, the Sheng dynasty is being used as a way to introduce Chinese influence to the region in a way that is in line with established lore (Andalla). There are several options that can be approached some of which are: (1) the integration of the Sheng dynasty into Saphieron, (2) a smaller allotment of land for the Sheng NPC, (3) the reduction of the Sheng dynasty into a purely historical entity that did not survive to the modern day, among others. If plot 1 is your preferred spot, I'm sure we can come to a conclusion following some chatting on Discord. 

[Xio]

I would like to see some dialogue between yourselves (@Saphieron / @Mito / @Kolhar) before bringing this application to a close, just to be confident there won't be any troubles in the future amongst you three.

[Kolhar]

On 4/2/2023 at 8:31 PM, Mito said:

Sorry for the late reply. This really escaped my notice during a hectic week. My opinion is the same as Kolhar's in that my approval would depend on some discussion over the integration of Saphieron into the regional lore of Thalassa. Primarily, the Sheng dynasty is being used as a way to introduce Chinese influence to the region in a way that is in line with established lore (Andalla). There are several options that can be approached some of which are: (1) the integration of the Sheng dynasty into Saphieron, (2) a smaller allotment of land for the Sheng NPC, (3) the reduction of the Sheng dynasty into a purely historical entity that did not survive to the modern day, among others. If plot 1 is your preferred spot, I'm sure we can come to a conclusion following some chatting on Discord. 

Any of those three would be acceptable to me, though I would prefer option 2 the most. I'm sure we can come to some sort of agreement.

 

Sorry about not being as active on discord, it's been a very hectic week. @Mito@Saphieron feel free to DM me on discord if you'd like to discuss this further.

[Rozzaria]

On 4/3/2023 at 3:31 AM, Mito said:

Sorry for the late reply. This really escaped my notice during a hectic week. My opinion is the same as Kolhar's in that my approval would depend on some discussion over the integration of Saphieron into the regional lore of Thalassa. Primarily, the Sheng dynasty is being used as a way to introduce Chinese influence to the region in a way that is in line with established lore (Andalla). There are several options that can be approached some of which are: (1) the integration of the Sheng dynasty into Saphieron, (2) a smaller allotment of land for the Sheng NPC, (3) the reduction of the Sheng dynasty into a purely historical entity that did not survive to the modern day, among others. If plot 1 is your preferred spot, I'm sure we can come to a conclusion following some chatting on Discord. 

Hello again sorry I was a bit busy. anyways Sheng dynasty (1) sounds like a pretty good addition to my lore, as long as I can keep my way of life and beliefs the same, so I can accept that, and perhaps you guys could explain to me in greater detail regarding the sheng dynasty afterwards. I'm pretty sure this makes our ties, the three of us, in the region more solid.

@Mito @Kolhar @Xio

[Kolhar]

On 4/12/2023 at 6:40 PM, Saphieron said:

Hello again sorry I was a bit busy. anyways Sheng dynasty (1) sounds like a pretty good addition to my lore, as long as I can keep my way of life and beliefs the same, so I can accept that, and perhaps you guys could explain to me in greater detail regarding the sheng dynasty afterwards. I'm pretty sure this makes our ties, the three of us, in the region more solid.

@Mito @Kolhar @Xio

Come to think of it, I don't see why we can't do a combination of 1 and 2 as well, by keeping a reduced Sheng NPC maybe in the northernmost regions, while also incorporating elements of it into Saphieron's lore.

 

Just some food for thought. I'd love to figure something out, especially since looking at your vision statement I think Saphieron would be a very interesting addition to the region. I'd love to see how it interacts with Kolhar's civil war RP, which I will resume when I fully return.

[Rozzaria]

17 hours ago, Kolhar said:

Come to think of it, I don't see why we can't do a combination of 1 and 2 as well, by keeping a reduced Sheng NPC maybe in the northernmost regions, while also incorporating elements of it into Saphieron's lore.

 

Just some food for thought. I'd love to figure something out, especially since looking at your vision statement I think Saphieron would be a very interesting addition to the region. I'd love to see how it interacts with Kolhar's civil war RP, which I will resume when I fully return.

that a good pov, an interesting proposal tho, lets just see if all parties agree, but I do like that idea.

so what do u guys think?  I think we can settle it on this one. plus it gets a small npc which can add alot of rp ideas in the future.

@Mito @Kolhar @Xio

Edited April 17, 2023 by Saphieron (see edit history)

[Xio]

I'd be happy to ahead with this. I can add Saphieron and the Sheng NPC as a group package to the northern Aurelian shield.

[Kolhar]

23 hours ago, Saphieron said:

that a good pov, an interesting proposal tho, lets just see if all parties agree, but I do like that idea.

so what do u guys think?  I think we can settle it on this one. plus it gets a small npc which can add alot of rp ideas in the future.

@Mito @Kolhar @Xio

I have some extra time so I'm going to flesh out my idea a bit more. My proposal would specifically be something like this.

1. Keep a reduced Sheng NPC in the modern day. In the modern day they speak !Hokkien. More specific details of it's history and culture tbd.
2. Sheng NPC historically was much larger, including some of the surrounding islands. However, eventually they lose control of these lands. Perhaps due to the "warring and trading" among locals you mention in your history, they eventually begin to drift into their own culture. Maybe you broke off into your own culture very early on, or maybe it wasn't until later. Both are acceptable to me, as long as there was historically a strong Sheng dynasty at one point in history to explain the strong Chinese influence in the region, though before a final decision is made on that we may need further discussions.
3. In the modern day, they are two distinct cultures. That of @Saphieron(for you to do what you like with) and that of the Sheng NPC.

What do all of you guys think? @Saphieron@Mito@Xio@Esonice, and anyone else who may have a stake in this discussion.

[Garindina]

 

32 minutes ago, Kolhar said:

I have some extra time so I'm going to flesh out my idea a bit more. My proposal would specifically be something like this.

1. Keep a reduced Sheng NPC in the modern day. In the modern day they speak !Hokkien. More specific details of it's history and culture tbd.
2. Sheng NPC historically was much larger, including some of the surrounding islands. However, eventually they lose control of these lands. Perhaps due to the "warring and trading" among locals you mention in your history, they eventually begin to drift into their own culture. Maybe you broke off into your own culture very early on, or maybe it wasn't until later. Both are acceptable to me, as long as there was historically a strong Sheng dynasty at one point in history to explain the strong Chinese influence in the region, though before a final decision is made on that we may need further discussions.
3. In the modern day, they are two distinct cultures. That of @Saphieron(for you to do what you like with) and that of the Sheng NPC.

What do all of you guys think? @Saphieron@Mito@Xio@Esonice, and anyone else who may have a stake in this discussion.

I know I have no real say here, but I’ve stayed up to date with this, may I propose the reduced Shenh NPC to possibly help resolve this. I am just trying to help

@Kolhar @Mito @Saphieron @Esonice

Edited April 18, 2023 by Garindina (see edit history)

[Rozzaria]

20 minutes ago, Garindina said:

 

I know I have no real say here, but I’ve stayed up to date with this, may I propose the reduced Shenh NPC to possibly help resolve this. I am just trying to help

@Kolhar @Mito @Saphieron @Esonice

yep thats acceptable to me since most of my core lands will be to the east, initially that area wasnt part of the proposal cuz that "area" is more of a desert and according to my history there are no deserts in saphieron, or at least having a non tropical landscape is minimum

[Kolhar]

That is also the exact same idea that I had for the area of the reduced Sheng NPC, so it's fine by me.

Though we should probably still get the opinions of @Mitoand @Esonice's (and anyone else who has a say on this) on it as well.

[Rozzaria]

59 minutes ago, Kolhar said:

That is also the exact same idea that I had for the area of the reduced Sheng NPC, so it's fine by me.

Though we should probably still get the opinions of @Mitoand @Esonice's (and anyone else who has a say on this) on it as well.

hopefully all parties could agree soon cuz i'm itching for roleplay of any kind LOL

[Esonice]

All looks good to me! I'm fine with a reduced Sheng NPC

[Mito]

Personally, I would have preferred that the Sheng dynasty be integrated into the history of Saphieron as I saw that there was a spot in their history in which it would have neatly fit alongside other reasons. However, since my request to discuss the matter on Discord has gone ignored, and the discussion here has advanced this far, I don't see much of a point in pleading my case. A reduced Sheng NPC is fine by me