Historical Expansion Request (Isle of Veles)

[Gotneska]

Isle of Veles (Götaish: Isle of Magadin)

Map of Veles (Götaish: Magadin)

(OOC THIS ISLAND IS OWNED BY MY NATION OF GOTNESKA AND ALSO @Garindina)

Flag of Garindinan Veles

There is no Flag for Gotneska’s Territory.

Capitals: Garindina (St.Stephen)

               Gotneska (Nyetteatin)

 

Stats: 0-0-4

area: tbd 

population: 9,723 (2020)

gdp: 261,451,470

 

Languages: Magadenish, Garindinan, Götaish, Meallaigian

 

History 

Pre-Colonial Period (ends in 1505 AD)

Garindinan Colonial Era (1505-Present)

Gotneskan Colonial Era (1730-1984)

Magadin Territory of Gotneska (1985-Present)

After the Gotneskan Civil War ended in 1984 the Gotneskan government gave the people of its portion if they wanted to become independent. The vast majority voted no to the referendum. Some historians believe the population voted against it was mainly because of how it could had economically changed the island and put itself back into the r

Economy

The islands largest sectors of employment are;

Space Exploration and Aerospace 

Farming

Film Industry (Gotneska)

 

Culture

The island has a unique culture and history which it owns to being isolated from the mainland Argis to the north and Alharu to the south. The native inhabitants of the islands called the Magenish are a historical group of the Germanic peoples of Argis. Up in till 16th century they where the only people of the islands. 
 

Today the island is vastly Christian with most belonging to the Orthodox Church. The larger towns on the Gotneskan side have a higher proportion of Catholic believers but is no where close to its orthodox counterpart.
 

Today the island is more diverse than it has ever been.

Ethic Breakdown:

Garindinan Side (Veles)

Garindinan’s Slavic: 

Magenish:

Gotneskan’s: 

     Gotani:

     Maellai:

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Gotneskan Side (Magadin)

Gotneskan’s: 22

   Gotani: 13%
   Maellai: 8%
 

Magenish: 66%
 

Garindian Slavic: 8%
 

Mixed: 4%

[Garindina]

I’m good with this (as confirmation is needed here)

[Xio]

I'll need to see where on the actual map this is. Currently you're just showing me 2 blobs of pixels with no clue where it is other than some vague locations in the sea.

[Gotneska]

46 minutes ago, Xio said:

I'll need to see where on the actual map this is. Currently you're just showing me 2 blobs of pixels with no clue where it is other than some vague locations in the sea.

Sorry for not including a overall map!

[Xio]

Due to the location of this expansion, the RP for it would have to be very high quality as it would give Gotneska an incredible amount of geopolitical sway in the region. Also It couldn't be a historical expansion as the implications for the modern day (Gotneska needing a large navy to hold onto the islands, and their geopolitical power across the many seas needed to hold onto the island) would be immense.

I would only be able to accept this expansion request if you can:
- provide a brief overview of how you plan to annex the island (the story you plan to tell) and;
- it taking place in the modern day, or if you can justify it occurring in the past and how it would affect the modern day (and if anyone who would be affected consents to the effects).
- also to be eligible for an expansion, you do need to be active within the last month (30 days). So an RP or wurldbuilding post would be nice

Edited March 30 by Xio (see edit history)

[Gotneska]

2 hours ago, Xio said:

Due to the location of this expansion, the RP for it would have to be very high quality as it would give Gotneska an incredible amount of geopolitical sway in the region. Also It couldn't be a historical expansion as the implications for the modern day (Gotneska needing a large navy to hold onto the islands, and their geopolitical power across the many seas needed to hold onto the island) would be immense.

I would only be able to accept this expansion request if you can:
- provide a brief overview of how you plan to annex the island (the story you plan to tell) and;
- it taking place in the modern day, or if you can justify it occurring in the past and how it would affect the modern day (and if anyone who would be affected consents to the effects).
- also to be eligible for an expansion, you do need to be active within the last month (30 days). So an RP or wurldbuilding post would be nice

Okay thank you for your response; 

So Gotneska would end up with the island after a short 2 year conflict with Garindina. Which they lost because of multiple reasons; Corruption, Poor maintenance of ships, Poor logistics, Mostly a naval war (Garindinan navy was weak), Failing motivation in the empire. all these where given to me by Garindina himself so if you wish to confirm that. That is totally understandable. But u maybe wondering why does Gotneska even care or is the region to start with? Simple answer Is part of Naval Trading Area. Which we’ve been using since the late 16th century.

To answer the second question this is completely in the past taking place in the 18th century. But idk how this would affect other nations in the region besides @GarindinaAs the island isn’t really close to any other active members. 
 

Dose a historical expansion still count as follow the same rules for a modern expansion? I was going to post something lately but having trouble finding the right words for it. So I apologize for the inconvenience.

 

And if any more information is needed I’m more than willing to give it to you.

[Ahrana]

I am still very warry of this idea, this is near me on a technical basis and I, which I have told @Garindina, that this RP and the lore behind it needs to be extremely strong. I am still not convinced on how @Gotneskawould have been able to have a colony that far away and fight a war with a nation in my area. Yes at this time Ahrana would have started to play a different role in the area of Central Argis, but even a war with a Slavic Nation would have brought the attention of Ahrana let alone a Colony by a Geltic Nation. That alone would have brought the full attention of Ahrana into view of that area of the Sea as it's a main route for Ahrana to send its ships through and a war would affect that. A war in that area would affect more than you think and Ahrana would get involved. 

So my questions are:

-How is it Gotneska was able to support a Colony that far away from the Gotneskan Homeland?

-How is that Gotneska was able to support a War in this area of the wurld, I ask because there is nothing on the iiwiki supporting a Gotneskan Colonial Empire?

-How does Gotneska ensure that it is Garindina that is in this little war, basically how does Ahrana not involved and destabilize the two forces? (I ask because like I said a Colony that far from the mainland and a war in what is basically my backyard would get may attention)

 

Furthermore, when I was last approached by @Garindinaabout this idea I told them that the lore surrounding this idea would need to be solid and to me as a RP Mentor, I feel it is lacking some important details that could be ironed out and thrown into this Expansion Post. I know this is @GotneskaExpansion thread but if I remeber correctly, it was a joint RP or something.

[Gotneska]

25 minutes ago, Ahrana said:

I am still very warry of this idea, this is near me on a technical basis and I, which I have told @Garindina, that this RP and the lore behind it needs to be extremely strong. I am still not convinced on how @Gotneskawould have been able to have a colony that far away and fight a war with a nation in my area. Yes at this time Ahrana would have started to play a different role in the area of Central Argis, but even a war with a Slavic Nation would have brought the attention of Ahrana let alone a Colony by a Geltic Nation. That alone would have brought the full attention of Ahrana into view of that area of the Sea as it's a main route for Ahrana to send its ships through and a war would affect that. A war in that area would affect more than you think and Ahrana would get involved. 

So my questions are:

-How is it Gotneska was able to support a Colony that far away from the Gotneskan Homeland?

-How is that Gotneska was able to support a War in this area of the wurld, I ask because there is nothing on the iiwiki supporting a Gotneskan Colonial Empire?

-How does Gotneska ensure that it is Garindina that is in this little war, basically how does Ahrana not involved and destabilize the two forces? (I ask because like I said a Colony that far from the mainland and a war in what is basically my backyard would get may attention)

 

Furthermore, when I was last approached by @Garindinaabout this idea I told them that the lore surrounding this idea would need to be solid and to me as a RP Mentor, I feel it is lacking some important details that could be ironed out and thrown into this Expansion Post. I know this is @GotneskaExpansion thread but if I remeber correctly, it was a joint RP or something.

Again I totally understand your concern with foreign nation trying to create a control over a important island. 
 

So where to start?

First off the so called Gotneskan Colonial Empire would be called the Gothian Empire there is a wiki about it. But still has a lot to be done for it. 
 

As said to why a war and how Gotneska would be able to fight. If you think about the British Empire they had hundreds of colonies no where near there homeland but they where able to keep them. But for the most part ic his nation had a weak navy and a empire that was becoming increasingly unstable. Just ask Garindina. It’s his nation so I can’t go to in depth about why as idk.

So I see the most important question is probably how dose Ahrana not get thrown into this small scale conflict. It could be that because Gotneska has sent trading vessels into the region for maybe a little over 100 years by the time the war starts we have some kind of trade deals and partnerships to bring different kinds of goods to your markets. But idk if that be good enough to keep you out of our business. That being said I think it comes down to what you’re and Garindinan relationship is like at that time? Maybe y’all see them as a threat or an ally idk. Either way you could support one of use of neither. But with that being said our war is naval war so you’re ships would be at greater risk of being attacked.

And lastly this is my attempt at making Gotneska a glubal empire. What I mean by this is a historical empire.

 

I hope this answered some of your questions and concerns @Ahrana. If you like to know more we can talk over dm’s if you like?

 

here is the link to my empire!

https://iiwiki.us/wiki/Goutian_Empire

Edited March 30 by Gotneska (see edit history)

[Gotneska]

@Garindina I believe you might have to make a request for your half of the island?

[Garindina]

Mabey, possibly in a couple of weeks. Currently working on the Reformation and the little rp I have with Velaheria