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Baltica Relocation Proposal

After quite a bit of discussion for quite some time, I have finally decided to relocate Baltica. For quite some time I've felt limited with my position within Central Argis, since it has both made me alienated from interacting with anyone outside of Argis, or participating in any international RP (Such as the Doclchland War). Additionally, I felt very squeezed between Slavic and Scandi culture, and personally, it made me think that it would be very difficult to expand any future Baltic NPCs or culture due to how crowded the area is. As such, I decided that I want to relocate Baltica, but keep its existing culture and history (with some exceptions). 

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(Map of my Proposals. All the Republics are marked with their letters)

I propose to move Baltica South, very far south, near the Keelpijp and Kezanoi Seas. Here, I believe I am still able to keep most of my existing Medieval and Pre History lore, as now Baltica is directly West of Dolchland, meaning it's not too outlandish that Dolch would have sailed to and set up colonies and later on a holy order in the area. These initial dolch would still settle in Southern Baltica, but this time on this “Crimea-like” peninsula, still making them geographically isolated from the rest of Baltica just like Dokestva was in the existing lore. As for the various Republics that make up Baltica, I will carry those over as well, this means Kauni, Raskia, Liplan-Kretin, Dokestva and Belgorta are still going to exist in this new Baltica. 

Civil War

The most important question to bring up in this relocation is the Baltican civil war, and if it still would have continued as it did in the official RP. Personally, I believe this new location is an even better place for Baltica when it comes to the civil war. Within this location, Baltica is much more strategically located, just on the Eastern banks of the Keelpijp Trait that allows travel between East and West Argis. I believe this would have been a good reason for the likes of Velaheria to get involved in the war, and even more cause for the Coalition forces to try and protect this strategic area. The war would have still ravaged much of the now Eastern part of the country, leading to the emergence of both Kauni and Raskia in the West, and Balticas post-war recovery still has a reason to occur. What does need to be addressed is certain peoples involvement in the war, especially those who were mainly involved because of regional reasons. 

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(Map of the what the Civil War could have looked like)

Another thing I like about this new location is that Goja could have been significantly more contested in the war, as it would have been located at basically the border point between the Republic forces, Dokestva and Kauni. It could also give more reasoning to Gojas heavy destruction throughout the war and why its no longer the capital of the new Baltican Federation. 

 

Possible Changes to be made

Some big changes that do need to be addressed are the Amber Lake Economic Community as well as the Amber Isles. Sadly, when it comes to the Amber Isles I think I am forced to probably retcon them unless I choose to make these Islands near the Kauni-Dokestvan bay the new Amber Isles (Just under a new name).


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(Maybe the location for the New Amber Isles. Possibly might be renamed to the Dolch Isles or the Bay Isles etc)

When it comes to ALEC I believe it will have to be remade from the ground up. One Idea of mine is that if I continue to expand North, I could form something like the Two Seas Initiative (Either an alliance stretching from the Keelpija and Kazanoi or the Kazanoi to the Meiargic Sea). I believe I could still carry over Hugostan and Perkunia, which would need to have some changes to their lore (Mainly the Ahrana connections) but they could carry over quite easily. 

One thing to address with my move is the Gentaric language group as a whole. With me being the only active Baltic Nation, me moving pretty much means that Gentaric also moves. Now what this means for Transbaltia I'm not too sure, but it's a problem that does need to be addressed. A possible solution is to make Transbaltia more Dolch and remove the Baltic ties, or to simply retcon it all together but those are just my prepositions. As for Estimeria, it's under the same umbrella but since it is its de facto lead, I would either just give it back to Transbaltia or remove it entirely, unless again the Baltic aspects of it are heavily reworked. 

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(Map of the possible culture / language map of Baltica. Green and Aqua for Raskian and Old Raskia. Brown for Upper Kretian and light Brown for Lower Kretian. Meanwhile blue of Dolch.)

Last Messages

Overall, I would just like to hear what the community has to say. I've flirted with the idea of moving in the past, but I feel much more sure of this than I was of my Alharu dreams. I know this is quite a large undertaking on my part, and it is of some inconvenience for others and for that I am quite sorry. Still, I want to be able to continue with Baltica but with a slightly new slate and a new location...

 

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I'm going to go ahead and allow this to take place, barring any relevant objections towards Baltica taking that area.

Just remember, this move will like be the last one you'll be able to do barring massive unforeseen circumstances. Make sure you are at peace with this solution before you officially move forward with it. We expect big things from coastal Baltica :)

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I will admit that I think that the civil war would have probably played out significantly differently had it not happened in a landlocked nation.

Here, Baltica is in a very strategic position and it would have potentially had a major impact on international trade. It would have meant that other nations would have done more than laid down embargoes. They might have felt like they would have had to get involved. Especially if other nations were attempting install their own puppets and carrying out bombing campaigns.

If Baltica is moved here - and considering @Seylos has already greenlit it, my "if" isn't worth much here - I think the civil war needs a rethink. Keeping it the same whilst radically altering the nation's location seems silly.

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The civil war is definitely somethig that we will need to rethink, as the points you bring up are quite valid. I would imagine ships being scared to travel through the Keelpijan sea because of piracy and active fighting and that would have no doubt have had some affect on international trade. As for nations getting involved in the civil war it's also somewhat of a missed bag. I can't really lean one side or another on if nations would have gotten involved more (when you consider it the war really only lasted 6 months so as civil war go it was quite fast) Baltica was sort of isolationist before the war so how much nations would have wanted to come to it's aid is debatable, unless of course as a direct counter effort to stop the spread of socialism in the area. I would like to organise a small discussion of the people involved in the civil war however, just to straighten out all the details. 

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Just to add to the discussion, I've calculated your new nation's borders uses your old stat's numbers (1 point in land, so an area between 90,000km^2 and 260,000km^2).
I would prefer if you could round up those who were involved in the civil war, (by pinging them here) and figure stuff out amongst yourselves. Perhaps it may be worth making a smaller child thread to your civil war about other nations involvement?

The below borders have a land area of 257,900km^2.
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12 hours ago, Baltica said:

The civil war is definitely somethig that we will need to rethink, as the points you bring up are quite valid. I would imagine ships being scared to travel through the Keelpijan sea because of piracy and active fighting and that would have no doubt have had some affect on international trade. As for nations getting involved in the civil war it's also somewhat of a missed bag. I can't really lean one side or another on if nations would have gotten involved more (when you consider it the war really only lasted 6 months so as civil war go it was quite fast) Baltica was sort of isolationist before the war so how much nations would have wanted to come to it's aid is debatable, unless of course as a direct counter effort to stop the spread of socialism in the area. I would like to organise a small discussion of the people involved in the civil war however, just to straighten out all the details. 

In your new position, Baltica gets to be isolationist if the Tagmatine Navy decides if it can be isolationist.

Joking aside, for the sake of convenience and not too much f*cking around, it would probably make more sense to limit discussion of the civil war and any amendments that may need to take place between the original participants. That way, we're not talking about this two months down the line.

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Baltican Expansions going forth

Before my relocation, I had two ongoing “plotlines” in Baltica, this being the Reconstruction and my Expansion, which was done in character through the Organisation known as ALEC (Amber Lake Economic Community). I wish to continue both of these plotlines, but as part of the location I plan to change both ALEC and its NPC member states to better reflect Balticas new position in Southern Argis. 

 

The Question of Hugostan and Perkunia

Both Hugostan and Perkunia were NPC’s (On the map simply labelled as Baltican Reserved Territory), that were actively participating in Balticas reconstruction process, with Hugostan providing construction materials for the reconstruction, whilst Perkunia provided a much needed trade partner to kick start the Baltican Export economy. Both had their place within the ever evolving state that was Baltica and its only fitting that they are allowed to continue to operate as such. However, as Baltica is now a considerably further distance away from other culture groups, and I think both Hugostan and Perkunia are due for a much more Baltic overhaul. So, I introduce you to Kalnija and Zuvikija, the official replacements for Hugostan and Perkunia.

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(Kalnija on the Left, Zuvikija on the Right.)

My goal for these two remains exactly the same, slowly through RP incorporating them into Baltica proper in the hopes to eventually form a greater Federation of Gentarian states although that for now remains a very distant goal. More Information about these two states can be found on their IIwikis which I've converted from the former Perkunian and Hugostan pages. 

Zuvikija https://iiwiki.us/wiki/Zuvikija

Kalnija https://iiwiki.us/wiki/Kalnija

 

The Question of ALEC

The NPC’s (Technically non existent NPC’s since they were in Balticas reserved Zone) of Hugostan and Perkunia were becoming an integral part of Balticas reconstruction and existing lore (ALEC).But doing this also brings up the question of what to do with ALEC ( https://iiwiki.us/wiki/Amber_Lake_Economic_Community). For those uninformed, the Amber Lake Economic Community was a Baltican led EU / Nordic council organisation used by me to expand and also to aid in my economic recovery. 

As part of my relocation I want to keep ALEC a part of Baltica, as it has become one of my favorite aspects of Baltican Lore. However it will need to go through a re branding just like almost every other aspect of Baltica. So I have decided to rework ALEC into the Economic Alliance of the Two Seas or EATS for short. EATS will continue to serve the same purpose as ALEC did before, being a way for me to peacefully expand Baltica further in Southern Argis whilst allowing for my crippiled economy to expand alongside it. I do plan for EATS to allow outside “Observer” states to join, similar to that of the original ALEC. Alongside this re branding Ive also made a new flag alongside the re branding.

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(Flag, the two blues symbolizing the two seas, yellow representing prosperity and growth and red for the ties forged through the alliance.)

 

Last Messages

I wasnt really sure when or if I should carry over my former expansions from my old location, but the more I looked into it the more I found that a lot of my rp plans were written with my npcs in mind, as my economic recovery was almost entirely fueled by Perkunia and Hugostan. I understand the obvious suspicious aspects of the choice to carry over my expansions, as it somewhat looks like Im immediately trying to expand into this fairly empty region, however my goals for Baltica in this new location is to finally see it recover and possibly prosper into the state its always meant to be ! (Ill get those Antargic Islands one day.....)

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