The Grand War (OOC)

[Xio]

((Name subject to change but seeing how it's pretty clear the Anglian Crisis has ballooned into a multicontinental wurld war I think it's suitable to give this war a cool name like 'The Great War'. So imma call it the Grand War until we get a better name.))

 

The Grand War
Part 2 of the Great Anglian Crisis

This day was thought to be impossible; how could an entire planet be at war with itself? Throughout human history war had only reached the scales of a continent, such as the Thalassa War, or the two Aurelian Wars. But with Anglia's rise to power and the expansion of its sphere of influence, the wurld has increasingly been forced into two camps:
- The Occidental-Azanian Pact, also known as the OCA or the Godstone Pact. Great Anglia's hegemon that stretches across numerous continents, from southern Aurelia to eastern Argis.
- The Triple Entente*, an unofficial alliance of numerous anti-Anglian and anti-OCA nations predominately split between the three blocs of TRIDENT, EOS, AL, and the ADC.

Red - Great Anglian Empire
Orange - OCA
Green - OCA Affiliates

This OOC discussion/planning thread is to help us coordinate the different fronts of the war, primarily the:
● Argic Theatre (vs. Dolchland)
● Aurelian Theatre (vs. Azanian OCA + Aurelian OCA Affiliates)
● Adlantic Theatre (vs. Anglia)
(Plus others)

(To be updated) List of Grand War Threads
● Anglian War IIWiki Timeline (good one to familiarise yourself with first)
● Europan News Network (unbiased in-RP source of information)
● Anglian Thorn
● Anglian Machine
● Anglian Foreign and Imperial Office
● Creation of the Argic Defence Coalition

Argic Theatre
● Dolchland vs Iwenland
● Dolchland vs Velaheria
● Stedorian aid of Velaheria
● Tagmatine Entrance into the war against Dolchland

Aurelian Theatre
● Anatea/Louvier vs Azuria
● Zaxar vs CDF
● Great Xio vs Sefesia

Adlantic Theatre
WIP

Europan Theatre
● Emergency resolution on Anglian aggression (May 2021)
● Constantinopoli Conference (February 2022)
● EOS-OCA confrontation (November 2022)

[Orioni]

As for the name, we have several options that fit within our unique naming conventions.

• Wurld War is an obvious choice.
• Glubal War
• Eurthican War
• Panethnikos (cross-country) War, if we follow Aroman !Greek conventions. (Asking @Tagmatium Rules if this is correct.)
• Terrabellum, if opting for a !Latin name. Could be described as the Terrible Terrabellum.

Here's a list of all our previous wars. https://iiwiki.us/wiki/Category:Wars_(Eurth)

[Tagmatium Rules]

1 hour ago, Orioni said:

As for the name, we have several options that fit within our unique naming conventions.

• Wurld War is an obvious choice.
• Glubal War
• Eurthican War
• Panethnikos (cross-country) War, if we follow Aroman !Greek conventions. (Asking @Tagmatium Rules if this is correct.)
• Terrabellum, if opting for a !Latin name. Could be described as the Terrible Terrabellum.

Here's a list of all our previous wars. https://iiwiki.us/wiki/Category:Wars_(Eurth)

Considering the originator of it all, could the "Anglian War" be enough?

[Ionio]

The choice of the name we can make checks of conditions. If we are talking about wurld war it means that it is occurring on several continents and there are two poles that are opposing [OCA vs Allies (Temporary Name)] and must involve almost all the nations of Eurth

Once we have defined these conditions we can establish the correct name for this war.

[Xio]

10 hours ago, Tagmatium Rules said:

Considering the originator of it all, could the "Anglian War" be enough?

I personally don't like "Anglian War" as it feels reductive to what the war is. Usually if a war is called a "[nation/region] war" it's because the war is taking place in that region, like the Crimean War, Iraq War, Korean War, or the Vietnam War. It's not just Anglia versus everyone, even if they're the big bad wolf of the group, it's an entire coalition of nations from across the globe aligned in beliefs of imperialism and autocracy that stretches beyond even just the OCA. If we call it the "Anglian War" it just sounds like a bunch of countries fighting each other in Anglia.

Personally, I like Panethnikos War or the Terrible Terrabellum, as it isn't just a play on 'great/big/grand war'. If we go for the Terrible Terrabellum you could have multiple wars inside of it (with one of them named the 'Anglian War' if you wish).

[Tagmatium Rules]

41 minutes ago, Xio said:

I personally don't like "Anglian War" as it feels reductive to what the war is. Usually if a war is called a "[nation/region] war" it's because the war is taking place in that region, like the Crimean War, Iraq War, Korean War, or the Vietnam War. It's not just Anglia versus everyone, even if they're the big bad wolf of the group, it's an entire coalition of nations from across the globe aligned in beliefs of imperialism and autocracy that stretches beyond even just the OCA. If we call it the "Anglian War" it just sounds like a bunch of countries fighting each other in Anglia.

Personally, I like Panethnikos War or the Terrible Terrabellum, as it isn't just a play on 'great/big/grand war'. If we go for the Terrible Terrabellum you could have multiple wars inside of it (with one of them named the 'Anglian War' if you wish).

Fair.

I'd not set my heart on it.

I just hope we don't get too bogged down on talking about the name. That's not a snipe at you personally but it's exactly the sort of thing we end up doing.

[Fubukino]

13 hours ago, Orioni said:

As for the name, we have several options that fit within our unique naming conventions.

• Wurld War is an obvious choice.
• Glubal War
• Eurthican War
• Panethnikos (cross-country) War, if we follow Aroman !Greek conventions. (Asking @Tagmatium Rules if this is correct.)
• Terrabellum, if opting for a !Latin name. Could be described as the Terrible Terrabellum.

Here's a list of all our previous wars. https://iiwiki.us/wiki/Category:Wars_(Eurth)

I am actually sort of partial to the last one, personally. As said above, I think Anglian War just takes away from what ends up being a global effort to fight back given the global scale.

[Zaxar]

I rather like Wurld War even if it is obvious, of the options given. I'd also suggest something more creative than being based off of 'wurld war' in different languages and forms. I have no specific ideas atm but when we get a list I think it'd be best to have a vote

Something more like the 7-years war where we can name all the different theaters of war differently would also be cool, and perhaps more realistic even. but we can pair that with any name we do end up choosing.

[Kirvina]

Personally, I think we should call it "Grand War" until it's over, and let it earn its name as it progresses.

It is the difference between "First Finno-Soviet War" (correct) and "Winter War" (popularly remembered).  Technically speaking, its name should be "War of OCA Aggression" or something along these lines, but who does what and who wins where will warp the popular memory. 

[Ahrana]

3 hours ago, Kirvina said:

Personally, I think we should call it "Grand War" until it's over, and let it earn its name as it progresses.

It is the difference between "First Finno-Soviet War" (correct) and "Winter War" (popularly remembered).  Technically speaking, its name should be "War of OCA Aggression" or something along these lines, but who does what and who wins where will warp the popular memory. 

This is an idea that would work.

[Orioni]

Right now, it's already called the Anglian War. https://iiwiki.us/wiki/2021-22_Anglian_War

12 hours ago, Tagmatium Rules said:

I just hope we don't get too bogged down on talking about the name.

Yes, please. The outlined proposal for the next phase looks very good. I've already some posts lined up on how to escalate down south. Just waiting for the green light.

[Mito]

I also like Terrabellum and could suggest the 'Terrabellum War'. Nothing like redundancy in a name to make it more realistic 'wurld War War' like Soviet Union, Sahara Desert, the hoi polloi, River Avon, etc...

[Salvia]

I really don’t like the ‘Terrible Terrabellum’ - sounds way too jokey to be the name of the deadliest conflict in Eurthican history  

I like Terrabellum on its own though - ‘The Terrabellum’ is a pretty bad ass name for a war, imo

[Tagmatium Rules]

Is it possible to get at least a rough breakdown of the forces of Anglia, OCA and aligned nations? Things seem a bit blurry when it comes to the forces arrayed against us. I realise that there needs and should be an element of surprise or guessing but it feels we're in the dark perhaps a bit more than we ought to be. Especially since most of the equipment, ships, etc that they have would have been sourced before the conflict started.

When it comes to naval assets:

• It has been established that Anglia is something of a naval power, and has several carriers. I believe that this was mentioned before, and I feel the number was six? I might be pulling that out of my arse, though.
• Suverina had several as well, as two of them were sold to Tagmatium (and subsequently to @Seylosand @Salvia).
• Presumably Lysia has a significant naval tradition, considering the number of places across the glube they have colonised. I imagine that this will mean they have a significant modern navy.
• A recent post mentions that the OCA has at least two of its own, although of unknown type.
• Dolchland is said to have a relatively weak navy, at least not enough to contest the allied contingent in the Dolch Sea.

Ground stuff is more of a mystery, bar we know that Anglia uses British-styled equipmemt. Everything else is a bit of a mystery.

We have a better idea of the PC nations have, since most of us completed the Census. However, that's not necessarily the case with nations that joined since that came out.

[Anatea]

53 minutes ago, Tagmatium Rules said:

Is it possible to get at least a rough breakdown of the forces of Anglia, OCA and aligned nations? Things seem a bit blurry when it comes to the forces arrayed against us. I realise that there needs and should be an element of surprise or guessing but it feels we're in the dark perhaps a bit more than we ought to be. Especially since most of the equipment, ships, etc that they have would have been sourced before the conflict started.

When it comes to naval assets:

• It has been established that Anglia is something of a naval power, and has several carriers. I believe that this was mentioned before, and I feel the number was six? I might be pulling that out of my arse, though.
• Suverina had several as well, as two of them were sold to Tagmatium (and subsequently to @Seylosand @Salvia.
• Presumably Lysia has a significant naval tradition, considering the number of places
• A recent post mentions that the OCA has at least two of its own, although of unknown type.
• Dolchland is said to have a relatively weak navy, at least not enough to contest the allied contingent in the Dolch Sea.

Ground stuff is more of a mystery, bar we know that Anglia uses British-styled equipmemt. Everything else is a bit of a mystery.

We have a better idea of the PC nations have, since most of us completed the Census. However, that's not necessarily the case with nations that joined since that came out.

About Anglian equipment, i remember that @Seylos made a report about the Anglian equipment and doctrine. (The Anglian Thorn)
On my front i can say that Anglia atm have 1 fleet deployed (3rd Task Force, in the Llyr fleet) and another one is on its way to Aurelia. About ground troops, i think that around 50k or 80k are Anglian, the rest of the soldiers are Azurian, since Anglia have a lot of theaters of operations to focus on. For the Air Force, maybe around 20 to 30 aircrafts, since they rely on Azuria. So the Anglian involvement on my frontline is pretty low, but when me and Louv will invade Azuria, Anglian forces will be more than the beginning of the invasion, since Azuria will have anti-Anglia rebellions and desertions going on.

[Nyanta]

I would also be interested in a wurld war. And we could implement some territorial expansions for example @Gotneska and me still have to take on ulfheimr

[Tagmatium Rules]

On 10/15/2022 at 3:38 PM, Nyanta said:

I would also be interested in a wurld war. And we could implement some territorial expansions for example @Gotneska and me still have to take on ulfheimr

I assume that this wouldn't be too difficult to subsume into the wider conflict, @Seylos?

[Seylos]

Are we wanting Ulfheimer to beg for Anglian support?

[Advocatius]

Seems plausible given it's about to be fighting a two front war.

[Gotneska]

10 minutes ago, Seylos said:

Are we wanting Ulfheimer to beg for Anglian support?

Yes they would be looking for outside help if anyone would support them!

[Kolhar]

Assuming people in Aurelia are okay with this, I was actually thinking that when the Kolhari Civil War gets going it could become a sort of sub-front of the Anglian War, with the fascist government being willing to give Anglia concessions (potential rights to station troops in Kolhar even if only temporarily, and so forth) in exchange for material support (training, arms, etc) in the Kolhari Civil War.

 

Of course this wouldn't be an alliance born from ideology or anything like that, more an alliance of convenience, but I thought it might be an interesting idea to talk about OOC'ly before anything happens IC.

[Nyanta]

On 10/17/2022 at 5:15 PM, Gotneska said:

Yes they would be looking for outside help if anyone would support them!

They wouldnt probably. They are isolistic extremest but I could see reason to get them involved if there would be some kind of Religious gain. Like destroying all Christian nations etc. What they announced before he left. There would be some potential. If you are interested we could also spiral Argis into the war via the Planned invasion of Ulfheimr. With @Tagmatium and @Iverica involved on our side it could easily spiral into a broader war with Anglian involvement. Just an idea 

[Gotneska]

@Nyanta I completely understand that, but I’m pretty sure Anglia is Christian so it really doesn’t make much sense for Ulfheimr, wanting to destroy Christianity if the only nations willing to help them are Christian or other religions. 
 

Also, it seemed the @ don’t work!!

@Tagmatium Rules 

@Iverica

[Nyanta]

@Gotneska It's quite the contrary. To further once goals, ideals have to sometimes be bent. And if our history shows us that totally opposing Ideologies can work together it enough is gained for both sites, I can't see reason why it couldn't happen here. Ulfheimr could easily be swayed with the right Price. If Anglia wants a Proxy, they will play Ulfheimr like a fiddle. Nobody as Nobel or ruthless they might be holds onto their ideals very long once you found the right Price for their so named convictions. I would except the Leader of Ulfheimr to align if he will gain enough. And I can see Anglia exploiting the Power Hungry Mad man to further their own goals. Both sides will think they got the better deal and work Hand in Hand, Christian or not. I see this as an intricate moment to display what right words and foul promises can cause in the midst of brewing conflict. 

Well, that got way too poetic. But you get my idea. If the gain is big enough, differences won't matter.

[Seylos]

To add to what Nyanta was swaying, it makes sense. Anglia creates another proxy and distracts some members of the Argic Coalition while continuing its efforts. If y'all are ok with it, I can have Anglia invite Ulfheimr to the OCA.