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Roqooformally the Divine Realm of Roqoo

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Capital: Bellamy

Capital location: more or less central; ideally in higher elevation

Starter Stats: Pop 1 // GDP 2 // Land 1

Culture: As mentioned in both Discord and vision, the culture of Roqoo is primarily based on the metaconcept of Finnish and Polynesian and as such is sort of "self-built" in that regard.

Climate and geography: Initially I had envisioned a milder climate similar to that of med warm/cool summer (Csb) or oceanic (Cfb); however, I understand that not much, if any, Cfb exists as of the latest climate map I found. Geographically, Roqoo is a nation with at least some coastline and some mountainous terrain, which coupled with historical and cultural ruins, draw tourists to the nation. 

History: This part is the least fleshed out part as I feel it really depends on final map location. What I can say is that at least a large portion of the Roquan culture descends from natives to the area (kind of where the Polynesian culture comes in) and at some point a group of refugees arrived on what they thought was uninhabited territory and eventually the two cultures "blended" (and this is sort of where the Finnish influence comes in). Fast forward a "few dozen decades," the first formal government of Roqoo beyond the tribal chieftains was established in the late 18th century (1780ish). This first government eventually gave way to the immediate past "commonwealth" government headed by the First Minister. Due to a growing religious community and influence of the Solleu Livot faith, during a period of rather bad weather/national disasters/epidemic and a slowing economy, the people repeatedly turned to the Livoti leaders for guidance. As the tribulations continued, the commonwealth government continued loosing support (mainly through lack of voter turnout) and in rather a "quiet revolution"the Livoti leaders took control of the government, installing the Candar as head of state in the early 20th century. 

Front Desk: 

Vision: 

Desired location: Based on the discord discussions, I sort of reviewed locations in both Argis and Europa with my thoughts attached. This is merely a starting point and I am up to flex as needed in history and/or climate to find a good place for the sake of the existing lore. 

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1) I think this could fit the climate (mostly; obviously this is mostly humid med); but probably not culturally due to the map showing it as Germanic. But.. would let me get in on the longest rail RP... >_>

 

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2) I think also fits with cultures (?) and climate but is a bit crowded

 

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3) This area is hard; I am fairly sure Tagmatium has plans for this island, so the focus should be on the east edge of the ellipse, like near the group of mountains and the adjacent coast. The culture map showed this being more Helleno/Turkic so that is a struggle here. 

A 4th thought (not pictured) but way out of left field is the area around the river delta flowing into the Jasmine sea in Europa. Clearly that is Indo culture, but the climate could suit. 

Fifth, and final thought (also not pictured), could be a northern chunk of the southern "large" island of Marensia. From my understanding the southern parts of this island, near Kori Chi are cold, but the pieces on the Tenarua Sea side are more Mediterranean. 

Other critical information: As you can see, I'm pretty flexible in this. So I welcome other options. 

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11 hours ago, Roqoo said:

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OOC Application:

Roqooformally the United Realm of Roqoo

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Capital: Bellamy

Capital location: more or less central; ideally in higher elevation

Starter Stats: Pop 1 // GDP 2 // Land 1

Culture: As mentioned in both Discord and vision, the culture of Roqoo is primarily based on the metaconcept of Finnish and Polynesian and as such is sort of "self-built" in that regard.

Climate and geography: Initially I had envisioned a milder climate similar to that of med warm/cool summer (Csb) or oceanic (Cfb); however, I understand that not much, if any, Cfb exists as of the latest climate map I found. Geographically, Roqoo is a nation with at least some coastline and some mountainous terrain, which coupled with historical and cultural ruins, draw tourists to the nation. 

History: This part is the least fleshed out part as I feel it really depends on final map location. What I can say is that at least a large portion of the Roquan culture descends from natives to the area (kind of where the Polynesian culture comes in) and at some point a group of refugees arrived on what they thought was uninhabited territory and eventually the two cultures "blended" (and this is sort of where the Finnish influence comes in). Fast forward a "few dozen decades," the first formal government of Roqoo beyond the tribal chieftains was established in the late 18th century (1780ish). This first government eventually gave way to the immediate past "commonwealth" government headed by the First Minister. Due to a growing religious community and influence of the Solleu Livot faith, during a period of rather bad weather/national disasters/epidemic and a slowing economy, the people repeatedly turned to the Livoti leaders for guidance. As the tribulations continued, the commonwealth government continued loosing support (mainly through lack of voter turnout) and in rather a "quiet revolution"the Livoti leaders took control of the government, installing the Candar as head of state in the early 20th century. 

Front Desk: 

Vision: 

Desired location: Based on the discord discussions, I sort of reviewed locations in both Argis and Europa with my thoughts attached. This is merely a starting point and I am up to flex as needed in history and/or climate to find a good place for the sake of the existing lore. 

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1) I think this could fit the climate (mostly; obviously this is mostly humid med); but probably not culturally due to the map showing it as Germanic. But.. would let me get in on the longest rail RP... >_>

 

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2) I think also fits with cultures (?) and climate but is a bit crowded

 

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3) This area is hard; I am fairly sure Tagmatium has plans for this island, so the focus should be on the east edge of the ellipse, like near the group of mountains and the adjacent coast. The culture map showed this being more Helleno/Turkic so that is a struggle here. 

A 4th thought (not pictured) but way out of left field is the area around the river delta flowing into the Jasmine sea in Europa. Clearly that is Indo culture, but the climate could suit. 

Fifth, and final thought (also not pictured), could be a northern chunk of the southern "large" island of Marensia. From my understanding the southern parts of this island, near Kori Chi are cold, but the pieces on the Tenarua Sea side are more Mediterranean. 

Other critical information: As you can see, I'm pretty flexible in this. So I welcome other options. 

Ultimately, I don't really have plans for the island. At least nothing concrete enough to stop you getting the bits you want. We could then discuss what happens next at a future point.

With regards to the island itself and its place in established Europan history, it plays a role in the historic Aroman Empire, especially the south-western part, as a bit of a stand in for Britain. This is especially true during the later, chaotic period. It is referenced as "Vanarambaium" or the "Aromano-Vanarambaium Kingdom", after the nation that was previously there (and in earlier times, that island was specifically made for them). There is also the later Kingdom of Thelarike.

But nothing is set in stone. I'm happy to work with you to discuss any concerns, so that we could come to a mutually satisfactory answer, were you to choose to go there. We can definitely work on the established history and find a place within it that works for you and change bits and pieces that do not.

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Hello and congratulations on passing the academy - now let's get you on the map!

Stats
These seem to be in order, giving you a land area of 90,000km^2 - 260,000km^2.

Culture & Climate
Finding locations that can match both your climate and culture will be particularly difficult. Below is a map of cool Mediterranean climate and Oceanic climate on Eurth:
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Much of it is already claimed by other members/nations. However, with possibly updates to the climate map in the future we can be lenient on the specific locations as long as they're close to currently existing Mediterranean and Oceanic climate zones. Coastline shouldn't be too difficult for what types of climate you desire. Regarding culture this one may be difficult. Currently the only references to Finnish culture (and other Ugric cultures in general) have been sparsely in northern Argis (top left continent), whereas our current Polynesians are in Marenesia Minor (the many islands below Europa in the bottom right). For both cultures to be close enough for your nation to form would be particularly difficult.

 Nevertheless I have come up with 4 proposals below. It is up to you to choose which you like (if any), then we can refine the borders in this thread, Forum direct messages, or in Discord DMs.

1 & 2. Marenesia
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These proposals, at 224,500 km^2 (left) and 203,600km^2 (right) have Mediterranean and Oceanic climates respectfully, the predominant group on Marenesia Major are the Marenai, basically the Maori people (a group of Polynesians). Biggest issue would be the distance from any known Ugric groups.

3 & 4. Europa
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At around 227,800km^2, this is perhaps the best compromise regarding climate and culture in my opinion. It's close to the current Polynesian countries in Marenesia Minor, and the Ugric people have no pre-existing homeland on Eurth and it doesn't particularly make much sense for them to be in Argis seeing how it was settled predominantly by Indo-Europeans. The climate currently is desert, however Europa along with a couple other continents are having some of their climate regions changed and this particularly area will become Mediterranean, thus we can for now pretend it to be as such.

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Around, 248,400km^2, a bit like one of your desired locations it has an Oceanic climate. I'm unsure if your refugees would consider this place 'uninhabited' as Tag said it has quite the history regarding the Aroman Empire.

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15 hours ago, Roqoo said:

Hi @Xio

Thank you for these numerous proposals. As we discussed on Discord, I would like to propose this counter with slightly adjusted starter stats of Pop 0 // GDP 2 // Land 2.

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Again, thank you so much for your patience with all my questions!

This is fine by me, from the above proposals you know the Polynesian group here are the Maori (Marenai). All that is required is consent from:
- @Gallambria
- @Salvia
- @Mevraq
- @Kori Chi
They will be given a week to provide consent, otherwise consent will be assumed through apathy.

We already spoke about potential homelands for your Finnish group, I would strongly urge you to work with @Orioni and possibly @Tagmatium Rules to figure out a potential Ugric homeland within Europa, as the most suitable continent for them as the East Asia, Afro-Asiatic, and Amerindian groups are in Alharu and Aurelia and the western Indo-European groups are in Argis.

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1 hour ago, Xio said:

This is fine by me, from the above proposals you know the Polynesian group here are the Maori (Marenai). All that is required is consent from:
- @Gallambria
- @Salvia
- @Mevraq
- @Salvia
They will be given a week to provide consent, otherwise consent will be assumed through apathy.

We already spoke about potential homelands for your Finnish group, I would strongly urge you to work with @Orioni and possibly @Tagmatium Rules to figure out a potential Ugric homeland within Europa, as the most suitable continent for them as the East Asia, Afro-Asiatic, and Amerindian groups are in Alharu and Aurelia and the western Indo-European groups are in Argis.

I'm sure we can find something that works :)

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Hey, @Roqoo :) 

Just wanted to say that I will move against one of the proposals, specifically this one:

On 2/5/2022 at 10:01 PM, Roqoo said:

Hi @Xio

Thank you for these numerous proposals. As we discussed on Discord, I would like to propose this counter with slightly adjusted starter stats of Pop 0 // GDP 2 // Land 2.

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Again, thank you so much for your patience with all my questions!

Right, so the main issues here are culture and history. Something to consider is that there are no Finnish analogues near this claim. I am unaware of the climate of this place, but perhaps a somewhat Finnish culture could develop here with the geography? No idea, kind of spitballing. You mentioned the culture here is gonna be your own invention (more power to you! It’s more interesting to have your own amalgamation/creation than stick to a RL template), so if you really want this spot, it’s doable. I will just warn that you’d likely see a lot less of this !Finnish influence in your culture. If you want !Finnish influence, I’d personally suggest you claim another spot, although that’s just a suggestion.

The main reason I’m pumping the breaks here is the fact that much of your northern coastline, being so close to Salvia, would be Salvian - it’s been a part of several Salvian empires and so has been part of Salvia for centuries, engaged in trade, etc. I am also currently roleplaying and wurldbuilding a build-up of Salvian nationalism, where the Salvian ethnic group (a !Latin and !Maori mix) are seeking to unite. I wasn’t planning on expanding here or anything (I’m currently expanding into my neighbor Alvernia, and that’s all Salvia can handle IC), but it’s an important note -  I was planning on having a lot of Salvians on this coastline and I’d like to continue with this plan. If you claimed this spot and went along with this, I’d really like if you went along with this. Awesome potential for RP, by the way, the potential tension between us, but that’s only if you want it.

That’s the problem with not having neighbors for a while, you develop your own plans and/or NPCs to fill the space so that when actual neighbors come along they either have to conform or one of the countries (either the one seeking a map claim or the one already there) will be upset that something didn’t go their way.

To sum up, I have two major issues. 1) The Finnish part of your culture does not really fit with the area. If you’re willing to part with this and develop your own unique mixed !Maori/!$$ culture that jibes better, this isn’t an issue. I don’t know if this is what you want, though. 2) I plan on having many Salvians on the northern coast, which might not be what you want. Maybe you don’t want the potential internal and external tension with these Salvians. Again, this would have awesome potential for RP and wurld building but that’s only if you want it.
 

If you’re willing to accept one of these points and compromise/are flexible on the other, I’ll give my blessing. Basically saying - you don’t have to flat out accept both but you’ll need to guarantee that whichever one you disagree with you’ll be willing to talk out and at least meet me halfway (or quarter way, or 3/4-way, or whatever).  I myself am more flexible on point 1, if you can justify Finnish influence (and I personally don’t mind “oh it developed here totally independently and just kinda looks like Finnish culture” [I also don’t really know what Finnish culture looks like :P]).

Well, hopefully that answers everything, although I fear I may not be clear. If I at all have confused you, feel free to reach out on Discord. I really do not want to deny you your desired spot over a misunderstanding or because of a lack of communication. So please reach out :D 

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On 2/3/2022 at 10:53 PM, Roqoo said:

Culture: As mentioned in both Discord and vision, the culture of Roqoo is primarily based on the metaconcept of Finnish and Polynesian and as such is sort of "self-built" in that regard.

We don't shy away from a challenge, but there has to be at least some internal consistency if there's to be a shared history and lore. Just saying.

On 2/6/2022 at 6:53 PM, Kori Chi said:

If only you would just change the finnish part to japanese

It could be interesting to consider the connection of Ainu people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ainu_people Not from the perspective of language, but rather the vast and largely unknown Siberian melting pot. Still, it's quite a stretch to explain their presence.

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@Orioni Yes it'd be, maybe for Mitō (depending on its expansions)? Since I don't see how siberians could mix with japanese in Kōri-Chi region. Will include polynesians mix for Kōri-Chi however.

Or perhaps... Another Dominion of the Mighty Empire in the great Argic? Banzei!

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