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The following is a rudimentary outline for a potential future cultural/trade-type organisation for nations of cultures of Dolchic descent/nations with a Dolchic minority.

I would also like to clarify that the way this organisation would view Dolch and Dolchic are as the following: Dolchic is an ethnolinguistic group made up of related peoples (Stedorians, Velaherians, Dolch, etc) similar to real wurld Romance, Slavs, or Germanic peoples. The Dolch are the specific ethnic group in the Dolchic group that live in Dolchland, similar to real wurld French, Russians, or Germans.

Preface:

One of the core ideologies of the Government of Stedoria is the promotion and advocation of pan-Dolchic ideals and co-operation among all nations with Dolchic/nations with Dolchic descent. Although the potential creation of this organisation would be serving Stedoria interests in regards to Stedoria's ideology. (OOC) I also believe that it could also potentially look/be beneficial for the other Dolchic nations of the wurld, along with helping promote even more roleplay, especially among Dolchic nations and any potentially future nations that join Eurth in the future. I'm unsure if the creation of organisations like this are limited to members who have been active in Eurth for a certain period time or not, but if this is the case, I'd like to shelve this idea for now but keep it ready for a later potential date when I'm able to help create it. Furthermore, I am unsure if there is potentially enough nations for this idea to be considered, although I believe there is and with this organisation's creation, it could potentially boost that number.

Essentially, this organisation would serve as a cultural trade-type organisation for Dolchic nations would have two main types of goals. The first of this goal would be the promotion of Dolchic cultures between all Dolchic nations, along with sharing more about Dolchic cultures to the wurld so that the wurld can better understand Dolchic nations and culture. The second of this goal would be an economic goal. The promotion of more trade agreements and resource agreements in order to help the economies of the wurld's Dolchic nations develop further so that they can be more successful.

Potential nations could include @Stedoria (myself), @DPR Velaheria (given their transition out of isolationism), @Volta (given their Dolch origins), @Walneria (given them also being Dolch descendants spiced up with some Slavic cultures), and perhaps also the AI nation of Dolchland itself (although this would be limited give that it's an AI and its fragile political situation). Other nation suggestions/ideas would also be welcome if you have any.

Relationship Development:

One of the main goals of this organisation would be to help foster better relations among the Dolchic nations of the wurld, along with acting as an outlet by which Dolchic nations can present grievances between each other in order to prevent any type of escalation, allowing potential agreements between each other to be created in order to further these relationships between Dolchic nations, and encouraging Dolchic nations to be more open with one another given their shared culture.

Trade and Economics:

As previously stated, this potential organisation would help to promote more trade and commerce between Dolchic nations of the wurld. Such examples of this might be lower tariffs, cheaper resources, or potentially giving more access to the establishment and expansion of Dolchic companies across Dolchic nations. With this being said, I do believe that the organisation would place certain restrictions on what can be traded and what cannot (i.e. No other Dolchic nations sending military equipment to more authoritarian nations such as Dolchland and Velaheria).

Cultural Exchange:

Again, as stated in the preface, one of this organisation's main goals would be to promote Dolchic culture not only within other Dolchic nations, but also throughout the entire wurld. Such examples of this would potentially include cultural exchanges between various Dolchic nations, linguistic conferences, etc.

Research and Development:

Similar to Esonice's idea of a Partnership of Island Nations, I also think there could be potential for scientific development and research to take place among the organisation's members. Similar to trade though, this would be limited due to the authoritarian nature of governments, and would probably only be focused on non-military/weapons related discoveries, such as in the field of education, medicine, and commercial technology, allowing members of this organisation to develop their nations further to improver their citizens' lives.

Conclusion:

Currently, this is as far as my ideas for this organisation go, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be subject to development/change in the future. Furthermore, if you have anymore ideas of what this organisation could contain (members or goals), could be, or could do, please share them with me as I'm looking to expand this idea further. Also, as said before, if such an organisation couldn't be create now, then I would very much like for it to be possible for it to be created at a later future date. Thanks.

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Volta would be interested in something like this, but I should probably bring up two caveats when it comes to Voltan participation in this.

First: they would have issues if there are too many trade restrictions.

As I have Volta set up right now, it would have just begun reforms in 2017, and while I haven't finished RP'ing it I'm imagining the human rights situation would have drastically improved since then.  Before 2017, Volta would have been very much authoritarian (and back then it would have been more "socialist" in the Stalinist mold). As such, and due to discussions I've had with Velaheria on discord, it's likely that Volta and Velaheria would have had friendly relations, including the export of weapons and other military goods (particularly during Velaheria's revolution, probably not as prominent now, unless Velaheria wants it to still be prominent).

Volta probably wouldn't be willing to give up a traditional trading partner solely due to their authoritarian tendencies just yet, even if Volta is moving away from authoritarianism. Probably would be more open to it in a few years, but not right now.

Second: Volta doesn't really celebrate it's Dolch heritage. They more celebrate their Mischling heritage, with the Mischlings being a mixed-race ethnicity that emerged from the Tlaloc people and lower-class Dolch settlers intermixing. The Dolch kind of got a bad rep when they treated the Mischlings and Tlaloc very bad (enslaving the Tlaloc, refusing to give the Mischlings equal treatment, banning the Voltan language, etc). So if this is a "look, we're all Dolch!" club, Volta would, shall we say, be less interested.

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5 hours ago, Volta said:

Volta would be interested in something like this, but I should probably bring up two caveats when it comes to Voltan participation in this.

First: they would have issues if there are too many trade restrictions.

As I have Volta set up right now, it would have just begun reforms in 2017, and while I haven't finished RP'ing it I'm imagining the human rights situation would have drastically improved since then.  Before 2017, Volta would have been very much authoritarian (and back then it would have been more "socialist" in the Stalinist mold). As such, and due to discussions I've had with Velaheria on discord, it's likely that Volta and Velaheria would have had friendly relations, including the export of weapons and other military goods (particularly during Velaheria's revolution, probably not as prominent now, unless Velaheria wants it to still be prominent).

Volta probably wouldn't be willing to give up a traditional trading partner solely due to their authoritarian tendencies just yet, even if Volta is moving away from authoritarianism. Probably would be more open to it in a few years, but not right now.

Second: Volta doesn't really celebrate it's Dolch heritage. They more celebrate their Mischling heritage, with the Mischlings being a mixed-race ethnicity that emerged from the Tlaloc people and lower-class Dolch settlers intermixing. The Dolch kind of got a bad rep when they treated the Mischlings and Tlaloc very bad (enslaving the Tlaloc, refusing to give the Mischlings equal treatment, banning the Voltan language, etc). So if this is a "look, we're all Dolch!" club, Volta would, shall we say, be less interested.

These are valid concerns, and I think I should make some more clarification for this reason.

Regarding the situation for trade, the way that I would see it ideally, is that when trade deals would be made with in the organisation, it would be put in place throughout all its member states (be it lower tariffs/less visa restrictions or whatnot) given that this (for now) would be solely an economic/cultural union of sorts rather than a defensive/military alliance, meaning that if for example Velaheria and Volta would what to engage in their own separate trade outside the union, then they could. I'm unsure if some trade organisations actually do this in real life, but if they do, then I believe that this could be replicated here. If this is not the case/is impractical, then further negotiation regarding what can and cannot be traded will need to be made.

As for the cultural aspect, this is also a very valid concern pertaining to your nation's history to which I'm a bit unsure of how it would be dealt with in the organisation, though I do a have a potential explanation/reason. Our goal of this organisation would to get all nations that are Dolchic to co-operate.

I forgot to clarify in my original post that (fixed it now), the way I see it, there's both Dolch and Dolchic (which I forgot to clarify earlier). To me (and the wurld hopefully), the Dolch are the specific ethnic group who live in Dolchland (Germans, Russian, French for example), whilst the Dolchic are the ethnolinguistic group (Likened to Slavic people, Germanic people, Romance people, etc).  So for example we would see ourselves still as Stedorians, but Dolchic (rather than Dolch), and to Stedoria at least, the Mischlings would also be contained within the Dolchic peoples due to their partial heritage. This being the case, this would perhaps look to Volta less like an organisation to celebrate Dolch people only, but to celebrate all of the cultures (Mischlings included) in the Dolchic group who related to one another (a brotherly organisation of sorts).

I hope this makes sense.

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I personally doubt that @Walneria would be interested in such an enterprise, at least not to the extent you are proposing it. @Walneria is a country, that somewhat relates to a mixed culture, even though it is majority germanic for centuries now. I get that point and I think that some politicians would really support that idea, but it would never come into fruition as @Stedoria and @DPR Velaheria are not democratic and the general anxiety of being tied to an autocratic bloc would probably outweigh the possible sense of belonging and economical gain from such a plan.

Even on the economic side of things, we do not stand much to gain. Our GDP per capita, both PPP and nominal, is better than the one of the other named countries and possible trade union would rather serve as a boost to their economies, less so Walnerian, as other countries may stray away from trading with us due to the beforementioned political problems.

If there was only a cultural cooperation without economical ties and if @Stedoria and @DPR Velaheria were democratic as @Walneria is, then there would not be any problem in this plan, but in the current conditions, we have high stakes, where possible negative outcomes outweigh the possible positive gains many times over.

In regards to political ties: Walneria always stands to sign bilateral agreements ensuring non-agression among nations, both Dolchic and non-Dolchic. Legally, @Walneria can not enter with their troops any foreign soil first, only as a act of counterattack, so unless a neighboring nation desides to provoke a war, we will not pose any serious threat to them.

@Walneria is not opposed to a local forum or a sense of international summit between Dolchic nations, but any further integration with current conditions is detrimental to us and therefore, we will not be taking part in it.

TL;DR: If there was such a organization, @Walneria would act only as a observer nation or a neutral third party rather than participating actively.

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Where would the Ceriser people stand with this organization? Inside the North Adlantic Union (NAU) are two large nations with significant Ceriser populations.

And just for basic background for anyone unsure about the Cerisers, they are the culturally mixed people of Ceris who speak both Dolch and Anglish. They also in a general sense combine Dolch and Seylosian traditions for their cultural background.

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In general Seylos is very interested in Southeastern Argis stability, and the North Adlantic Union would want to further that goal fostering cooperation in a positive way amongst the Dolchic peoples. We do know that Fravina, Delamaria, Seylos, and Galahinda have an economic free trade zone, perhaps the Dolch people's can interact with that bloc on a more substantial basis with this?

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37 minutes ago, Seylos said:

Where would the Ceriser people stand with this organization? Inside the North Adlantic Union (NAU) are two large nations with significant Ceriser populations.

And just for basic background for anyone unsure about the Cerisers, they are the culturally mixed people of Ceris who speak both Dolch and Anglish. They also in a general sense combine Dolch and Seylosian traditions for their cultural background.

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In general Seylos is very interested in Southeastern Argis stability, and the North Adlantic Union would want to further that goal fostering cooperation in a positive way amongst the Dolchic peoples. We do know that Fravina, Delamaria, Seylos, and Galahinda have an economic free trade zone, perhaps the Dolch people's can interact with that bloc on a more substantial basis with this?

I believe that Stedoria and this potential union would see the Ceriser people as Dolchic given their culturally mixed heritage. Although they aren't a fully Dolchic people, the organisation would be open to all Dolchic people, be them fully Dolchic or only just partially (as is also the case for Volta's population for example).

At least from the outside looking in, we would be open to them joining/interacting with us, though I'm unsure of the Ceris States' political situation so I'm not too sure if they'd also be willing to join, again along with considering the fact that they're an AI nation. (Although if AI nations do join international organisations in wurldbuilding, then I'd be happy to have them in this if this idea comes to fruition.

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