OOC: Communist Volta - Who recognizes it?

[Kolhar]

So, the title has the basic question, but let me give some more background info.

Basically, when Volta first gained independence from Shffahkia it was a capitalist democracy. However, when the first President Eugen Rathenau realized that ramming through every legislation he wanted no matter what would piss off the opposition to the point where they'd start using everything they could to obstruct his agenda in a mere attempt to get him to compromise, he did a self-coup and deleted the "democracy" part of that government type. Then he started implementing all the reforms he pleased that made working life really hard for the average Tlaloc and Mischling (to be fair to him, he genuinely would have believed that what he was doing would be for the good of the country due to a number of racist beliefs he had but that's a discussion for another time).

After Eugen dies, some of his successors make token attempts to recover the popularity he had. But it's too late, there's a communist rebellion, and the communists win. The communists declare the establishment of the Socialist Federal Republic of Volta, while the leadership of the political parties that existed before flee and establish the Voltan government-in-exile (still officially the Voltan Democratic Republic, using the same old flag and coat of arms, and even the same anthem albeit with 2 verses omitted).

Relevant history iiwiki articles for those who want more details:
https://iiwiki.us/wiki/History_of_Volta#Shffahkian rule (the period from Shffahkian rule onwards is the most relevant)
https://iiwiki.us/wiki/1876_Voltan_coup_d'état
https://iiwiki.us/wiki/Voltan_Democratic_Republic

Articles on the Voltan Civil War and Voltan government-in-exile have not been made yet, though eventually they will be.

So the question I'm asking is simple.

Would your country recognize the Socialist Federal Republic of Volta? If not, would your country recognize the Voltan government-in-exile instead?

To those that recognize the Voltan government-in-exile, to what degree would this recognition go? Would your country offer any support to the government-in-exile (financial support, allowing them to operate embassies, recognizing passports and other identity documents issued by them, etc)?

Just as a side note, discussions I've had so far says that the government-in-exile would at least have initially been based in @San Castellino, but seeing the history of that country I wouldn't be surprised if the government-in-exile started there but relocated after the San Castellino Civil War got a bit too much for them. Not sure if they would've had anywhere to go though. Any ideas/volunteers?

Edited July 10, 2021 by Volta (see edit history)

[Xio]

Metztlitlacan support for the Socialist Federal Republic of Volta would have changed throughout the 20th Century.

1923 - 1934
In the initial years of the declaration of the Socialist Federal Republic of Volta, Metztlitlaca in its modern form did not exist but was under the Crescent Kingdom which was strongly anti-communist. As such the Crescent Kingdom would not have recognised the Socialist Federal Republic of Volta and would have instead strongly supported the return of the government-in-exile, primarily through small financial support and allowing the exiled government to maintain any embassies within the Crescent Kingdom.

However from 1930 - 1933 the Crescent Kingdom went into its own civil war financed by Shffahkia and Fulgistan, resulting in the Unified Republic of Palu, a Stalinist socialist state which only lasted a year before a second coup in late 1933 / early 1934 to form the South Palu Confederation. The SPC would then switch its recognition to the SFRV instead of the exiled government.

1934 - 1992
The South Palu Confederation would've been a strong supporter of the SFRV up until Willi Ebert took power and reversed the New Reform Policies. Support would continue to wither until the Great Alharun War Sitallo, another socialist state, invades SPC under realpolitik with the aid of Seylos. Post-1954 the SPC took an isolationist stance once it's neighbours were all broken from the war, the SPC would only recognise the SFRV out of apathy and preventing more war.

1992 - 2006
From 1992 to 2005, South Palu fell into a on-and-off civil war, primarily between the religious factions (Metztlitlaca) and secular factions (South Palu) of the state. Once it was clear that Metzlitlaca was going to stamp South Palu into it's grave in the final few years, the new government would contemplate leaving LAANN and shifting its recognition back from the SFRV to the exiled government. However by 2006 Metztlitlaca officially acknowledged it was still a part of LAANN and a 'socialist state' due to requiring time and funding to rebuild after the civil war.

2006 - 2021
Since 2006, Metzlitlaca would've attempted to court Volta once again as a potential ally, however its façade of being a 'socialist' nation becomes more and more undone every year as the nation moves towards total Continentalist as Neo-Azlo-Fascist rhetoric increases in popularity within the state.

2021 - 2023
Depending on how the Mezza-Sitallo war coincides with the Anglian New Wurld crisis and how the whole event ends, Metztlitlaca could be anything from a true fascistic Neo-Azlo state, to a Continentalist Expansionist Ideological Empire (something akin to Iran, Saudi Arabia, or Al-Qaeda), to a democratic Pseudo-Continentalist confederation, or a fully neo-socialist state. The future is entirely open ended, and it would be up to Volta and their allies to make sure Metztlitlaca doesn't fall away from the socialist wurld completely.


TL;dr Metzlitlaca currently supports socialist Volta, but its unknown for how much longer.

Edited July 10, 2021 by Metztlitlaca (see edit history)

[Cashar]

Cashar, due to dealing with its own problems, probably would've been largely disinterested in the going-ons of Volta - though, it's likely they would've been wary of Voltan culture because in the very late 1800s (close to the 1900s), they had just finished having a close call with a communist revolution of their own. So, it's likely Voltan culture would've been made the stuff of jokes - though probably not nearly as much as Fulgistan (since Fulgistan is closer and a bigger country). 

In the 1940s, anti-communist sentiment really ramped up due to the Great Alharun War... Though, Cashar was far more interested in plundering Fulgistan (pirate-style) than actually trying to introduce capitalism to them. It's possible Volta might have gotten caught in the crossfire, though, perhaps? In the sense that privateers took the long way around Aurelia and if there were any Voltan ships in the waters, they might have attacked and attempted to plunder them.

In the 1960s, Cashar became incorporated (as in the government officially became taken over by corporations and business interests). There likely would've been a lot more mockery of communist and socialist ideals and an extolling of the virtues of capitalism during this time. There probably would've been official support for the Voltan government in-exile - though nothing in terms of financial contributions. Mostly just diplomatic stuff like recognizing passports and other identity documents issued by them.

And that would probably persist to this day.

[Fubukino]

The current government in Yulaa certainly has recognized Communist Volta as the rightful government of Volta. Anything before then I couldn't say as I have yet to rebuild my history prior to this government. It could go either way. The Oyusards in present day don't have anything for or against communists and are all for the reality of the situation. Thus, they'll recognize who truly controls the nation and not some long lost meaningless exiled government.

On the other hand, Fearannteth (an NPC in which I have control over and will eventually absorb) would've likely refused to recognize the communists perhaps even to this day. Communism is taboo in a monarchy that is painfully aware it hasn't been adequate for its peoples needs and encouraging or welcoming it in any form may invite revolutionaries at home. They'd offer those fleeing Volta a place to stay likely, though whether the Kingdom was of preference to Voltans I'm not sure. Further specifics would have to be worked out as its history will have to be revised some to include a major war it would've been party to.

[Tagmatium Rules]

Due to the sheer distance and the fact that the New and Old Wurlds tend to remain somewhat apart, Tagmatium would likely not take all that much interest in the events within Volta. The anti-religious stance and general spread of Communism in the 1920s and 30s would likely have made the Tagmatine government of the day nervous but due to the fact it was happening almost literally on the otherside of the wurld, there would be little it could have done about it.

By the end of the 1930s, it was embroiled in its own war and spent much of the middle and later parts of the 20th Century lurching a bit due to a economic downturn and then military coup.

Eventually, the Holy Imperial Government would likely have recognised the Communist government, if only to facilitate treade through the canal. This is more likely to have happened either under Konstantios V (1963-9) or Theodosios VI (1995-2005) than any of the others. Those before were of a dynasty dating to the late 1700s or the general that overthrew them and those inbetween were effectively a military dictatorship.

[Seylos]

On 7/10/2021 at 9:07 AM, Volta said:

So, the title has the basic question, but let me give some more background info.

Basically, when Volta first gained independence from Shffahkia it was a capitalist democracy. However, when the first President Eugen Rathenau realized that ramming through every legislation he wanted no matter what would piss off the opposition to the point where they'd start using everything they could to obstruct his agenda in a mere attempt to get him to compromise, he did a self-coup and deleted the "democracy" part of that government type. Then he started implementing all the reforms he pleased that made working life really hard for the average Tlaloc and Mischling (to be fair to him, he genuinely would have believed that what he was doing would be for the good of the country due to a number of racist beliefs he had but that's a discussion for another time).

After Eugen dies, some of his successors make token attempts to recover the popularity he had. But it's too late, there's a communist rebellion, and the communists win. The communists declare the establishment of the Socialist Federal Republic of Volta, while the leadership of the political parties that existed before flee and establish the Voltan government-in-exile (still officially the Voltan Democratic Republic, using the same old flag and coat of arms, and even the same anthem albeit with 2 verses omitted).

Relevant history iiwiki articles for those who want more details:
https://iiwiki.us/wiki/History_of_Volta#Shffahkian rule (the period from Shffahkian rule onwards is the most relevant)
https://iiwiki.us/wiki/1876_Voltan_coup_d'état
https://iiwiki.us/wiki/Voltan_Democratic_Republic

Articles on the Voltan Civil War and Voltan government-in-exile have not been made yet, though eventually they will be.

So the question I'm asking is simple.

Would your country recognize the Socialist Federal Republic of Volta? If not, would your country recognize the Voltan government-in-exile instead?

To those that recognize the Voltan government-in-exile, to what degree would this recognition go? Would your country offer any support to the government-in-exile (financial support, allowing them to operate embassies, recognizing passports and other identity documents issued by them, etc)?

Just as a side note, discussions I've had so far says that the government-in-exile would at least have initially been based in @San Castellino, but seeing the history of that country I wouldn't be surprised if the government-in-exile started there but relocated after the San Castellino Civil War got a bit too much for them. Not sure if they would've had anywhere to go though. Any ideas/volunteers?

Considering Seylos isn't a democracy, going from democracy to socialist wouldn't really make them blink an eye. Assuming we have Kaseka/Bab Al-Bahr at this point we'd probably just recognize the country to keep things nice and peaceful.

[Esonice]

From the 1860s to the 1880s Esonice would likely not really care about what was happening in Mesothalassa as Esonice, and would avoid the topic to not agitate and give fuel to the remaining communists and socialists in the serene kingdom. After the 1880s, it depends when the canal was constructed. If yes, Esonice would slowly start recognising the socialist regime as the true government of Volta and try to cosy up to them. 
If no, Esonice would not recognise the socialist government and continue its absolute zero tolerance policy for communist and fascist sympathies to avoid destabilising itself for unnecessary reasons. 

After the creation of the constitutional monarchy after the short civil war in the 1920s, it would still depend if the canal was constructed or not. The new government would either continue the policy of acting friendly towards Volta or denying its existence. After the Thalassan war in the 1940s and the creation of the modern state of Esonice, same reasons. 
But in modern day now, as we discussed before on the wurldbuilding channel on discord Esonice would definitely recognise Volta's socialist government and deny the existence of the Voltan government in-exile and investing into Volta in exchange of guaranteed and free canal access.    

[Kolhar]

15 hours ago, Esonice said:

From the 1860s to the 1880s Esonice would likely not really care about what was happening in Mesothalassa as Esonice, and would avoid the topic to not agitate and give fuel to the remaining communists and socialists in the serene kingdom. After the 1880s, it depends when the canal was constructed. If yes, Esonice would slowly start recognising the socialist regime as the true government of Volta and try to cosy up to them. 
If no, Esonice would not recognise the socialist government and continue its absolute zero tolerance policy for communist and fascist sympathies to avoid destabilising itself for unnecessary reasons. 

After the creation of the constitutional monarchy after the short civil war in the 1920s, it would still depend if the canal was constructed or not. The new government would either continue the policy of acting friendly towards Volta or denying its existence. After the Thalassan war in the 1940s and the creation of the modern state of Esonice, same reasons. 
But in modern day now, as we discussed before on the wurldbuilding channel on discord Esonice would definitely recognise Volta's socialist government and deny the existence of the Voltan government in-exile and investing into Volta in exchange of guaranteed and free canal access.    

Just for the record, SFR Volta wasn't declared established as a nation until 1923, and didn't completely kick out the old government from Volta until Jan 1924.