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Here i am! >:D
First of all this is a super cool idea and i can't wait to rp it, even because sometimes is really hard to create a big RP project that is oke for everyone!
About the rest for me it's super oke, especially the client states thing, it's super nice that you can deal with them by using both war or even diplomatic methods, this could create some nice interactions between players or other little tensions between the various player nations, who knows!

About the nations attacked by Great Anglia or its client states, i offer Anatea as battleground to be attacked/invaded, given the fact that its airforce is oke but the maritime or ground forces are really weak, so an attack by another hostile nation or multiple ones would be a big problem for my defences, other than create a good liberation war RP that i could use to fill my modern history! ^^

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How do you see this affecting the current crises on Eurth?

For example, Ceris is still ongoing. For countries like Tagmatium, @Gallambria and @Salvia, the operations there require significant movement of ships across the Adlantic. Would Anglia be willing to disrupt these operations, especially if it is held to be having a non-aggression treaty with my nation?

I'd assume Anglia is aware of TRIDENT as the Wurld's only military alliance of note but if the highlighted areas are the ones it attempts to take, it will definitely come into conflict with it. Is it really willing to risk fighting with most of the Wurld's premier military powers? Gallambria has interests a lot closer to Anglia than most of the others, too, in the form of Bashan. Similarly, if Anglia is going to fight TRIDENT, there is a high likelihood that Tagmatium will intervene, as my country will want to remain on the good books of that alliance, and to safeguard its ship movements across the Adlantic.

There's also the brewing crisis in the north Adlantic and what looks like to be a coming one in the Amnalos Sea, too. Both courtesy of @Haruspex :P

Is there going to be any way of making sure that there isn't a massive pile-on that stops this before it even starts?

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First of all I am very happy to see something like this, and I’m looking forward, like many others, to the event. I do have some questions though, for instance what would Anglia’s stats be, population, gdp, military etc, and what the timeframe will be for the stages?

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I think that something like this should absolutely be done, and is a wonderful idea for the progression and activity of Eurth.

It introduces a unified enemy that demands both a consistent point schedule and a constant sort of political and military consciousness to work against, which does wonders for interest also, because there are few things more satisfying that working together in concert to defeat a unified big bad. As another Aurelian power, I give my thumbs up to Anatea offering himself up. I'm willing to commit forces to fight in a liberation war there and make that the Aurelian flashpoint/Aurelian story. Very on board with all of this. Cheers.

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2 hours ago, Tagmatium Rules said:

How do you see this affecting the current crises on Eurth?

For example, Ceris is still ongoing. For countries like Tagmatium, @Gallambria and @Salvia, the operations there require significant movement of ships across the Adlantic. Would Anglia be willing to disrupt these operations, especially if it is held to be having a non-aggression treaty with my nation?

I'd assume Anglia is aware of TRIDENT as the Wurld's only military alliance of note but if the highlighted areas are the ones it attempts to take, it will definitely come into conflict with it. Is it really willing to risk fighting with most of the Wurld's premier military powers? Gallambria has interests a lot closer to Anglia than most of the others, too, in the form of Bashan. Similarly, if Anglia is going to fight TRIDENT, there is a high likelihood that Tagmatium will intervene, as my country will want to remain on the good books of that alliance, and to safeguard its ship movements across the Adlantic.

There's also the brewing crisis in the north Adlantic and what looks like to be a coming one in the Amnalos Sea, too. Both courtesy of @Haruspex :P

Is there going to be any way of making sure that there isn't a massive pile-on that stops this before it even starts?

The Phase 1 and 2 of Anglian expansion should give people quite a bit of buffer time to get ready for the biggest stuff. I'll be ending Ceris soon hopefully so it shouldn't coincide with any actual conflict and the Corinium conflict should be fininshed pretty quickly, it was supposed to be more of a flash in the pan sort of thing if MH agrees with that.

Yes Anglia is definitely aware of New Wurld alliances/coalitions/unions etc. The idea is that in the beginning no single nation could go one on one with Anglia and win. Even larger nations like Gallambria and Tagmatium would eventually lose a war of attrition to Anglia. And of course they will only grow more in power as they eat more. We can all write Anglia to make sure they don't trigger a Trident response right off the bat. When they start colonizing they won't attack any nation that would trigger the treaty.

11 minutes ago, Haruspex said:

It will be interesting to see where this goes. The area of the Amnelos Sea is somewhat concerning however.

What concerns you exactly?

1 hour ago, Delamaria said:

First of all I am very happy to see something like this, and I’m looking forward, like many others, to the event. I do have some questions though, for instance what would Anglia’s stats be, population, gdp, military etc, and what the timeframe will be for the stages?

The Europan expansion phase will be fairly quick so we can get stuff off the ground for everyone. At most two months as we make news posts about their progress. The New Wurld phase will start after that two months and people will see Anglian client states appear and start slowly expanding. The New Wurld conflict stage will happen when somebody tries to stop one of the client states haha either through diplomacy or war. The Europan conflict phase will begin once every Anglian client state is either dissolved through war or discontinues their affiliation with Anglia.

 

I believe we discussed earlier that Anglia will have something like a 4 trillion economy, 100 million people, and a military that is large enough to dissuade any early conflict with player nations. The Anglian government will be massively overspending for this military and will use its conquests as a way to gain more income to pay for it.

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8 minutes ago, Seylos said:

Yes Anglia is definitely aware of New Wurld alliances/coalitions/unions etc. The idea is that in the beginning no single nation could go one on one with Anglia and win. Even larger nations like Gallambria and Tagmatium would eventually lose a war of attrition to Anglia.

Laughs in cannonfodder.

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I mentioned this before but so everyone is aware I'd fully expect the Anglians to fashion a beautiful client state out of Fearannteth with little resistance. The Kingdom is rather battered and only has token defense. I'd be excited to see where this goes. I already have posts writing themselves in my head with this.

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3 minutes ago, Oyus said:

I already have posts writing themselves in my head with this.

I'm already preparing the soundtracks instead ahahah :V the hype is real!

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3 hours ago, Seylos said:

We can all write Anglia to make sure they don't trigger a Trident response right off the bat. When they start colonizing they won't attack any nation that would trigger the treaty.

TRIDENT doesn't need an active attack to come into play. As we saw with the Verde Blockade, Ahrana was just repositioning its naval fleet to Vulgus Supra in a move that was frowned upon by Prymont. Anything that occurs in the tricontinental area that could disturb the peace will be seen as an active threat by the treaty and could well trigger a response. However, the Verde fiasco was more of an attempt to keep Ahrana in check in the central Argic political scene - if Anglia were to arrive in the far east of Argis as proposed, I can imagine there'd be less of an initial threat perceived by TRIDENT. Prymont is only one part of the organisation though so I'd be keen to hear the opinion of the others - this is the exact reason the treaty was made.

Edit: adding on to the above, obviously Anglia will be looking to land in more than just Argis, which would spread TRIDENT forces thin and render them far less effective. While still a real probability, retaliation from the treaty would be less impactful I imagine.

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52 minutes ago, Prymont said:

TRIDENT doesn't need an active attack to come into play. As we saw with the Verde Blockade, Ahrana was just repositioning its naval fleet to Vulgus Supra in a move that was frowned upon by Prymont. Anything that occurs in the tricontinental area that could disturb the peace will be seen as an active threat by the treaty and could well trigger a response. However, the Verde fiasco was more of an attempt to keep Ahrana in check in the central Argic political scene - if Anglia were to arrive in the far east of Argis as proposed, I can imagine there'd be less of an initial threat perceived by TRIDENT. Prymont is only one part of the organisation though so I'd be keen to hear the opinion of the others - this is the exact reason the treaty was made.

But would meddling by an Old Wurld power be frowned upon?

Albeit both Adaptus and Tagmatium have done it in the past and presently without it raising much of an eyebrow.

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The idea seems really good to me. Especially because, if Great Anglia colonizes lands close to San Castellino (see the map below) and San Castellino is not yet plunged in the revolution, the government will surely try to side with Great Anglia in order not to be invaded and because they will think that Great Anglia will lead them to glory or that kind of thing. This could lead to an invasion of San Castellino by New Lyria (and perhaps even Mauridaviah and/or Metz) and the establishment of a democratic San Castellino.

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I fully and wholeheartedly support this! It will make Western Alharu and  Aurelia and Thalassa very exciting to be in and for the new wurld and get everyone to interact and be with each other, rp fighting a common enemy!
 

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As stated in the Discord, I am very supportive of this idea. The Triple Commonwealth is up for grabs by Anglia if a more interior colony is required, as well as attempts by Anglia to invade Sitallo or even Metztlitlaca if the story we go through puts them on Anglia's target.

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@Seylos Nothing overtly yet, but as the area of Bashan was mentioned, that is somewhat nearby to a Haru holding. As for the activities of the Anglian concerns, some of the Old Wurld might be more open to Cooperation/Collaboration with the power that is rising.

Concerning Corinium, I'm fine with that being settled quickly, it is after all, running along the path we designed.

 

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The one question I have is about the location of this Great Anglia. During the past months the question of an Anglish homeland came up many times. And I thought it would be located somewhere on that long island which houses Tal Shiar, Havebergen and Vanarambaion.

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10 minutes ago, Orioni said:

The one question I have is about the location of this Great Anglia. During the past months the question of an Anglish homeland came up many times. And I thought it would be located somewhere on that long island which houses Tal Shiar, Havebergen and Vanarambaion.

I was under the impression it would be located where Great Burlington was, but I don’t know how that would fit in culturally.

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19 hours ago, Orioni said:

The one question I have is about the location of this Great Anglia. During the past months the question of an Anglish homeland came up many times. And I thought it would be located somewhere on that long island which houses Tal Shiar, Havebergen and Vanarambaion.

Anglia doesn't have to be the homeland. They could have migrated there, sometime in the past two thousand years.

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@Delamaria & @Tagmatium Rules — Both are good answers. I thank you for sharing your points of view. The answer to my question won't impact this OOC story proposal.

@Seylos — I like the idea. Some other questions that came to mind.

  1. Is this an example of what you had in mind for the Non-Canon Works forum?
  2. How long will the Anglian expansion take in RP time? Are we talking about timescale of months, years or even centuries?
  3. Looking forward to the Mini Bosses and the Boss Battle. Would this be an opportunity to test @Iverica's D20 system in certain cases?
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20 minutes ago, Orioni said:

@Delamaria & @Tagmatium Rules — Both are good answers. I thank you for sharing your points of view. The answer to my question won't impact this OOC story proposal.

@Seylos — I like the idea. Some other questions that came to mind.

  1. Is this an example of what you had in mind for the Non-Canon Works forum?
  2. How long will the Anglian expansion take in RP time? Are we talking about timescale of months, years or even centuries?
  3. Looking forward to the Mini Bosses and the Boss Battle. Would this be an opportunity to test @Iverica's D20 system in certain cases?

1. Nope, I think every single person on the forum is onboard with this being a full canon RP. I doubt this will be a single RP though, this could be many events/RPs over the course of months.

2. These expansions will happen very rapidly. It may not be realistic, but I'd prefer the community to be able to get this in a timely manner and not have to wait a year. The New Wurld colonization phase will begin after two months.

3. Could be! Depends on what involved players would want!

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