[OOC] Anglia Event | Part I: Great Anglian Crisis

[Tagmatium Rules]

Just now, Orioni said:

Thank you both for your clear explanations. My intentions don't include any surprise little green men appearing in the Occident. But the situation would be serious enough to draw attention. I'll go ahead and write up something that involves the EOS. A local security concern like this merits some special attention.

Further to that, Tagmatium has stated that any move by GA or allied entities against Adaptus, Sporsia or Euandria will be considered an act of war, as they're "Aroman" nations.

To an extent, that's bluster - as outlined above, a significant proportion of the Tagmatine military is tied up doing other things and can pretty much be discouted by GA as a threat. But, equally, enough of it isn't and that'd likely upset immediate GA plans.

I plan to have Kommodos call a meeting of foreign ministers of the "Aroman" nations. But Sporsia is a nation rocked by repeated recent scandals and is headed by a caretaker government under the head of the church and Euandria is a Qubdi satellite. I'm discussing the potential implications of the latter with @Seylos at the moment.

[Seylos]

2 hours ago, Tagmatium Rules said:

I think our governments need to discuss a unified response.

Especially since the Haru have been so decent as to guarantee Tagmatium's borders.

For sure, Seylos has no idea what the Haru are doing. As far as they know they are building for a fight with Tagmatium and possibly the NAU

[Tagmatium Rules]

8 hours ago, Seylos said:

For sure, Seylos has no idea what the Haru are doing. As far as they know they are building for a fight with Tagmatium and possibly the NAU

Equally, Tagmatium doesn't know what they're doing

Which is why I need to have my country reach out and ask the Haru what the hell they're doing. They're probably causing Tagmatium to panic, especially as I've said I'm moving troops from the north to bolster my southern borders.

[Orioni]

Just an idea: could we create some crosslinks between the branches of this storyline? Right now I find myself reading one news story and several foreign affairs channels, which reference each other but don't always include links. With your collective permission I can add some links where needed.

On 4/10/2021 at 2:43 AM, Seylos said:

Through unofficial interviews the ENN has learned that the Social Democratic Confederation has already enacted contingency measures to ensure the continuity of government, with rumors that they may potentially be heading to Seylos, which has historically not had a pleasant relationship with its progenitor.

Also, while re-reading the ENN post on Anglia, I noticed the but in bold. Many times we've had this discussion on the origin story of !Anglo-Saxon countries. It was my impression that we had settled on this being the long island east of Tagmatium.

[Seylos]

1 hour ago, Orioni said:

Just an idea: could we create some crosslinks between the branches of this storyline? Right now I find myself reading one news story and several foreign affairs channels, which reference each other but don't always include links. With your collective permission I can add some links where needed.

Also, while re-reading the ENN post on Anglia, I noticed the but in bold. Many times we've had this discussion on the origin story of !Anglo-Saxon countries. It was my impression that we had settled on this being the long island east of Tagmatium.

Very true! And I think it would just be best for Anglia to be it. It's definitely not the best solution but I've written some history that includes early Celtic invasions to Anglia. Early Anglians weren't exactly the same people as today post Aroman collapse.

[Tagmatium Rules]

8 hours ago, Seylos said:

Very true! And I think it would just be best for Anglia to be it. It's definitely not the best solution but I've written some history that includes early Celtic invasions to Anglia. Early Anglians weren't exactly the same people as today post Aroman collapse.

I assumed that we'd used the solution that the islands in the north of Europa were the original homelands but in the intervening thousand years or so, peoples and tribes had moved around the coasts to settle in Anglia?

 

10 hours ago, Orioni said:

Just an idea: could we create some crosslinks between the branches of this storyline? Right now I find myself reading one news story and several foreign affairs channels, which reference each other but don't always include links. With your collective permission I can add some links where needed.

This is necessary, I think.

Of course, Tagmatium is going to outright reject the suggestion of the Orinese that Tagmatine foreign policy is soley informed by one foreign news source.

This isn't true, especially since my monarch received a letter from the Anglian one but Orioni isn't a close enough ally for Tagmatium to share that.

[Orioni]

@Tagmatium Rules Yes, this works for me. I was just a little bit out of the loop. I learned in this case it's always best to just ask. IC'ly, I do expect you as the next-door neighbour to have eyes on the ground in all parts of the Occident and even Qubdi. If Anglia eyes territory further south this might also come to include Chrysi Akti (a place we decided had Aroman lore) and Zharr of @Haruspex.

@All — I took care of adding some links between the various pages of this storyline. A summary of all the diplomatic outrage will do quite nicely. The OOC paragraph at the bottom will explain more.

[Tagmatium Rules]

6 hours ago, Orioni said:

@Tagmatium Rules Yes, this works for me. I was just a little bit out of the loop. I learned in this case it's always best to just ask. IC'ly, I do expect you as the next-door neighbour to have eyes on the ground in all parts of the Occident and even Qubdi. If Anglia eyes territory further south this might also come to include Chrysi Akti (a place we decided had Aroman lore) and Zharr of @Haruspex.

@All — I took care of adding some links between the various pages of this storyline. A summary of all the diplomatic outrage will do quite nicely. The OOC paragraph at the bottom will explain more.

The Hermitage Islands are explicitly not a sovereign state. They're a neglected outpost that has suddenly become relevant again due to changes in the geo-political landscape, specifically the events of Corinium but also the Argic Passage stuff.

This is detailed a bit more here:

The post's been up for over a month, so I imagine that most people are cool with that as a way of expansion. There are no native or aboriginal settlements, much like the IRL Svalbard that I'm drawing off.

Algernon could make the point about Tagmatium protesting militarisation whilst doing the same thing, but he'd likely not mistake the islands for a sovereign nation. Especially not since prior to my navy arriving, everyone on the island are either from my border guard, coast guard or connected to the Church.

[Orioni]

9 minutes ago, Tagmatium Rules said:

The Hermitage Islands are explicitly not a sovereign state.

I've modified the post to remove this mention.

[Orioni]

@Seylos Couple of comments and questions.

1. A IIWiki page was created for the conflict. I'm maintaining the timeline. https://iiwiki.us/wiki/2021_Anglian_War

2. Where possible I added some more details to the ENN stories. For example: a name for that Grand Vizier of Alshamal. I'd like to have similar details for Great Anglia. https://iiwiki.us/wiki/Great_Anglia

3. The OCA Pact continues to balloon Anglia to near overpowered proportions. With 7 additional countries joining in one news post.

So I was thinking of having Dragonryders accept the EOS invitation for protection. It makes sense and can counterbalance the expanding Anglian imperialism.

 

[Orioni]

@San Castellino Earlier today I noticed you're offering secret military support to Anglia. This information is secret so nobody but Anglia will be able to respond to it.

I do want to warn you that any IC overt support for Anglia will get you suspended from the EOS. I'm referring to your May 13th declaration of intention.

 

[Florentia]

And that's exactly why San Castellino will keep secret his support to Anglia until that they will really need to do it. In addition, show an overt support to Anglia would greatly compromise the relationship between San Castellino and @Tagmatium Rules.

[Tagmatium Rules]

1 hour ago, San Castellino said:

And that's exactly why San Castellino will keep secret his support to Anglia until that they will really need to do it. In addition, show an overt support to Anglia would greatly compromise the relationship between San Castellino and @Tagmatium Rules.

At the moment, it might cause some unease in Tagmatika after the fall of Fearannteth but, similarly, induction of San Castellino into the embrace of the perfidious Orinese would have also have caused that.

Likely, if this got out, there'd be hope that EOS could keep them in line or that it kill two birds with one stone and disrupt the EOS.

The slightly puzzling reply the Orinese sent to the Tagmatine attempt to reach out to them hasn't gone unnoticed.

[Florentia]

6 minutes ago, Tagmatium Rules said:

At the moment, it might cause some unease in Tagmatika after the fall of Fearannteth but, similarly, induction of San Castellino into the embrace of the perfidious Orinese would have also have caused that.

Likely, if this got out, there'd be hope that EOS could keep them in line or that it kill two birds with one stone and disrupt the EOS.

The slightly puzzling reply the Orinese sent to the Tagmatine attempt to reach out to them hasn't gone unnoticed.

So, if I well understand, you mean that it could be kind of "ok" for Tagmatium that San Castellino takes sides with Anglia if, finally, San Castellino choose Tagmatium than the EOS (and thus Orioni) ?

[Anatea]

Sorry guys if i'm late! Has the war/conflict started or we're still in the Corinium crisis? just to know and organize myself for the upcoming events

[Seylos]

Corinium finished up awhile ago. The Anglia crisis is still building up.

[Orioni]

On 6/3/2021 at 9:10 PM, Orioni said:

So I was thinking of having Dragonryders accept the EOS invitation for protection. It makes sense and can counterbalance the expanding Anglian imperialism.

Changed my mind. Since Dragonryders (NPC) is already involved in the war and I don't want to mess up the existing story. I'll switch to just having the still neutral Ayubi and Damak Var ask the EOS for help. Well within the sphere of influence. @Tagmatium Rules Would that work?

[Tagmatium Rules]

The EOS is gaining steam quite a lot

Looks like they're going to be the basis for the UN in the future.

Was this intended?

[Seylos]

Exactly how large is the EOS sphere of influence? It seems to be a lot of NPC power.

[Anatea]

Question: i have my two mercenary characters that i would like to involve in the war that is going on in the south-western part of Europa, problem is that all the prequel rp is done only through news, so i don't know how to rp with them, because i would like to use the narrative way i always use like i did for the Dalstavian War

[Tagmatium Rules]

What sort of naval forces do the OCA have?

Presumably little more than things like destroyers, frigates and smaller patrol craft?

Suverina had a fairly formidable navy, as that's where I got the two carriers I sold to @Seylos and @Salvia from.

Could we get something of a breakdown, especially in the light of @Great Anglia's ambitious and rather hopeful plans that have been put up.

[Orioni]

Is anyone interested in helping out with the IIWiki page for this conflict? The events from June are still missing. https://iiwiki.us/wiki/2021_Anglian_War

@Seylos — What do you think of these "Unaligned States of Azania" (USA)?

On 7/3/2021 at 9:26 PM, Tagmatium Rules said:

The EOS is gaining steam quite a lot  Looks like they're going to be the basis for the UN in the future. Was this intended?

Not really, no. I don't see the EOS turning into something like the UN. The opposite, perhaps. During the 3rd Antargic Conference it was pointed out again the it's a military alliance, albeit a defensive one. To form a UN you'd need something more civilian and political, in contrast to generals and guns.

On 7/4/2021 at 2:40 AM, Seylos said:

Exactly how large is the EOS sphere of influence? It seems to be a lot of NPC power.

There are a lot of observers since it's based on a geographic location. But only a handful of actual members. It's only the full members who'd get involved with a military conflict. In most of the affairs, the other members act like silent partners. But in this context, if Anglia were to venture into the Oriental Ocean, that would be a provocation. Claiming Jilderen is already a major issue. With its war in Dragonryders, Anglia is cutting already off the regular commercial shipping routes to Tagmatium.

[Seylos]

Unaligned States of Azania sounds fine to me.

So just for my own edification if conflict between the EOS and OCA happens how does that look RP wise? Are the NPCs run by yourself? There are like 14 or so of them, that might be a lot to do yourself.

[Orioni]

2 hours ago, Seylos said:

Are the NPCs run by yourself? There are like 14 or so of them, that might be a lot to do yourself.

There are 7 semi-active members and a a couple more observers requesting membership status.

• I'm not sure if @Cristina would employ FDL and Magnaeus.
• Can't speak for @Sunset Sea Islands either but I'm sure the Junta would defend itself as his last post said.
• The other members who've gone inactive of course can't actively participate since that's puppeting and godmodding and against our RP rules. https://www.europans.com/wiki/roleplay-rules/

While I don't expect you to use Anglia in that way, I also know my direct response will have to wait until the final Boss Battle. So everything in between is just posturing. If Anglia were to attack EOS while it wasn't allowed to respond, that'd be powergaming.

[Salvia]

10 hours ago, Orioni said:

Is anyone interested in helping out with the IIWiki page for this conflict? The events from June are still missing. https://iiwiki.us/wiki/2021_Anglian_War

Made a few minor edits and added the events. Feel free to look over

 

With moving mostly complete, I would like to get involved in this. I would like for Alvernia, the nation I am expanding into, to side with Anglia. This would lead to a split in the Alvernian government, leading to a minor civil war that @Gallambria and Salvia will quickly put down. Just want to make sure this is ok with everyone  

Edited July 6, 2021 by Salvia (see edit history)