help About religion of Grenesia

[Grenesia]

Hello. I've been working on my IIWiki page and I don't know what to do with religion. Catholicism would play important role since the late 12th century, and unless it's possible to have it adapted before 1300 I'd have to totally change my early history. I originally planned to have my nation Catholic and have it partly but (preferably) forcefully converted until 1300s. Now I think I would accept @Variotan, @Iverican or @Girkmandian branch of the belief if possible, or maybe a mixture of them. How would I make it work?

Edited April 3, 2020 by Grenesia
Edit: Terrible spelling. (see edit history)

[Tagmatium Rules]

3 hours ago, Grenesia said:

Hello. I've been working on my IIWiki page and I don't know what to do with religion. Catholicism would play important role since the late 12th century, and unless it's possible to have it adapted before 1300 I'd have to totally change my early history. I originally planned to have my nation Catholic and have it partly but (preferably) forcefully converted until 1300s. Now I think I would accept @Variotan, @Iverican or @Girkmandian branch of the belief if possible, or maybe a mixture of them. How would I make it work?

I suppose the first place to start would be to envision how the conversion process went about?

Something along the lines of the IRL Northern Crusades of the Teutonic Order (which apparently left good chunks of the local populations unconverted until the Early Modern Period) or something a bit more top-down, with the local elite converting to the religion after due to consistent pressure from external forces?

[Salvia]

3 hours ago, Grenesia said:

Hello. I've been working on my IIWiki page and I don't know what to do with religion. Catholicism would play important role since the late 12th century, and unless it's possible to have it adapted before 1300 I'd have to totally change my early history. I originally planned to have my nation Catholic and have it partly but (preferably) forcefully converted until 1300s. Now I think I would accept @Variotan, @Iverican or @Girkmandian branch of the belief if possible, or maybe a mixture of them. How would I make it work?

Hm.  Your distance certainly makes this a pickle.  iirc, @Iverica didn’t relocate to the Iberia peninsula (where he is now) until the late 16th century.  I don’t know if @Girkmand or @Variota were Christian yet.  If they were, great.  Problem solved. But if not... then the distance will prove a challenge.  I suppose it’s possible for either @Tagmatium Rules or I to convert you (although Tag is Orthodox not Catholic) if nobody in the region is there to.

[Tagmatium Rules]

7 minutes ago, Salvia said:

Hm.  Your distance certainly makes this a pickle.  iirc, @Iverica didn’t relocate to the Iberia peninsula (where he is now) until the late 16th century.  I don’t know if @Girkmand or @Variota were Christian yet.  If they were, great.  Problem solved. But if not... then the distance will prove a challenge.  I suppose it’s possible for either @Tagmatium Rules or I to convert you (although Tag is Orthodox not Catholic) if nobody in the region is there to.

V's not part of any of the big churches, either, and I don't think he settled that area until the 1400s/1500s.

I forgot that everyone's pretty late.

The Orthodox/Aroman Church route is likely out - it'd be a bit too much of a culture shift.

As an option, there could always be a nation that perhaps was either composed of more Catholic slant of Christianity that perhaps composed a wave of leavers from the Aroman heartlands that went onto found a nation near where Grenesia now is. Their shortlived empire could then have pressured or forced the Grenesian natives to become Christian, but then they themselves either collapsed internally or where crushed by a pseudo-Mongol invasion from deeper into Argis, leaving Grenesia with the religion but no "parent" nation.

Messy, certainly, but it's an idea.

[Variota]

Late response.

I've never really set a set date on the settlement of Variota due to the varying factors, research that I did back then did end up with a realistic date of the early 1400's in regards to when it'd be possible to have a genuine, coordinated colonisation effort by following how European naval technology developed IRL. Chinese naval technology would have allowed that date to be pushed to earlier dates but that seemed like a wank back then as any Aloorians moving to settle Variota would have had to travel from western Europa where the primary cultures weren't/aren't Asian. Vikings are another group that colonised early but they also suffered a wide variety of setbacks and I found it highly unlikely that a group using Viking naval technology would end up successfully settling over such a large distance without eventually fizzling out of existence.

However, since then, there's been people that have settled earlier, the migration map is being worked on, etc. which means that I'll probably wait on the migration map being done before I put down a definite time down. Giving the migration map a glance, I'm seeing Anglo movements towards the islands Seylos ends up in the 1200's, which means that theoretically, Aloorians could have moved further towards Alharu around the same time. If something like that would end up happening, me pushing back the dates to earlier centuries, I'll probably make it so that a bunch of Aloorians remained back in Europa for a while, more so than set in history at the moment.

Such a date would probably also help your history as that'd mean we'd be in the area in time to convert you. Now, Tag's somewhat right. My religion doesn't line up with any of the RL churches due the changes I made, I made the Kerke fit a civilization that primarily lived on boats; the Variotan messiah, the Holy Wilm of Amalberga first appeared on a ship, for example. I'd say, however, that the 'big churches' as they exist on Eurth are mainly seen as such because they're the first ones named whenever anyone asks about churches existing instead of them being actually big (as I don't believe there's been much worked out about the various churches and their sizes in different nations beyond the ones they originate in).

To give an example on things that are, probably, different compared to other churches: Hedonism is wanted and, in some cases, expected; those with wealth that do not flaunt it atleast somewhat are seen as suspicious, which partially goes back to times when the population had to expand to new vessels. A rich ship captain/clan leader that wouldn't pass on ships or build new ships for his children was actively holding his children and the clan back. But also, as most faithful Variotans would tell you, why wouldn't God want us to enjoy our time as His creations living on His creation, located in the galaxy that He also made. He ensured that we were able to develop all these things to enjoy ourselves. Yadayada.

There are a lot of little bits here and there but let's face it, that's just a normal thing in religion and there's nothing that keeps the Grenesian branch of the Kerke from having their own little quirks here and there to fit with the locals and their original religion.