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Statement on the removal of Rihan and associated accounts


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Shame to see that this has come to light of a member but justified. I know I mentioned this in Discord, but I wanted to leave this out here for documentation purposes and for those who may be affected and missed it on there. As far as Aurelian League goes, alot of that was undoubtedly driven by Rihan and sees a very important member of the alliance disappear in addition to another, Kipan. (Speaking of Kipan, EOS considerations may be in play as well?). I'm wondering what should be done. This would leave The talks @Selayar rendered void, the loss of half the membership, and 2 active members as @Kirvina is notably MIA.

 

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Excuse me for the double post, but another question came to mind:

Considering the somewhat sizeable contribution from Rihan's clear primary nation in Aurelia, I am curious if it would be put through a filter like the way Volsci seems to have been, unless I have come to misunderstand what was done with Volsci. Rename and relabel it as a silent, isolationist NPC?

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As an aside, this is the IP theft @Variota is referring to:

https://nsindex.net/wiki/Tagmatine_Empire

 "Rihan" made this without any permission being asked. I asked "Rihan" if he knew anything about it, as his nation was also used. He then told the tale that he confronted "Aluxia", who came clean about stealing my nation and that of "Rihan". Only through the investigation by the rest of the mod team did I learn that they were one and the same person.

I only found out about my nation being stolen due to being bored one day and Googling my own nation's name.

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7 hours ago, Oyus said:

Excuse me for the double post, but another question came to mind:

Considering the somewhat sizeable contribution from Rihan's clear primary nation in Aurelia, I am curious if it would be put through a filter like the way Volsci seems to have been, unless I have come to misunderstand what was done with Volsci. Rename and relabel it as a silent, isolationist NPC?

Yes, this is one of the options we're currently looking at as well as probably the most likely one. There are ideas in the pipeline so it may not stay a silent, isolationist NPC either; or it may. All depends on how this works out. 

Expect an answer in regards to how we proceed before the weekend. 

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Update to the statement:

While we could not previously confirm it, it has been found that Soreana is an additional account operated by Rihan. As with the other nations, Soreana will be scrubbed from the canon. Their discord account will be kicked once one of the admins is available to do so.

In addition, the nation of Rihan will be renamed and redone in order to become an NPC. Nations may choose whether to continue their canon interactions with this replacement or to scrap it completely. If possible, please send your interactions to myself on Discord or here so that I may keep them in mind while setting things into an NPC.

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On 10/8/2019 at 3:44 AM, Variota said:

After a thorough investigation, the team has been made aware that the person primarily known as Rihan had been operating multiple accounts and nations - current nations/accounts are Rihan, Tikva, Kipan and Aluxia. Having multiple accounts is not allowed by both the community and roleplaying rules.

The length of this deception, Rihan's position within the region, the misuse of other people's IP in earlier situations and other issues has ensured that the staff is both shocked and appalled by this behavior. Rihan has fully admitted to the rule breaking offenses in a private conversation with the Admins and the investigating moderator. 

The team has convened in a meeting and decided that there is no other consequence possible beyond the full and complete expulsion of the accounts and the individual primarily known as Rihan. While Rihan attempted to try to influence his departure to a silent one, the team feels that the entire community deserves the truth.

For nations that have had canon interactions with the nations of Kipan, Aluxia or Tikva: These nations are to be scrubbed from the canon, any interactions to be deemed retconned. We appreciate your understanding.

For nations that have had canon interactions with the nation of Rihan: We are currently finding a solution to this issue. We will update you once we have established the final solution.

For everyone worrying about the wiki: The team has taken steps to ensure the continuation of the wiki. Rest assured that a plan is in place. Any wiki questions may, as always, be asked in the wiki discord channel.

For everyone worried about future rule breaking in regards to multiple accounts: The team is working on establishing additional barriers to make the chance of this happening in the future smaller.

If there are any further questions, feel free to ask. However, please note that due to the nature of the evidence (containing personal information), we will not be able to offer answers on all questions.

-V

This is truly so appalling. As someone who has interacted with Rihan, Kipan and Tikva, this is both very shocking and disappointing.

I understand the nation of Rihan will be retained as an NPC. But how about Kipan? In terms of lore and history, I'm estimating more interactions have been made with Kipan as it was, and still is, our only Japan-analog. Definitely a good chunk of lore surrounding @Fulgistan's Huang Empire would have to be sliced off. Not to mention occasional connections with the histories of surrounding nations, Andalla very much included.

On another note - with such a large amount of power in our hands, I feel it would be unwise to completely turn Rihan and all associated nations into NPCs or disintegrate them. As I've said, Kipan holds quite an important place in Eurth's lore. Perhaps we could just decrease the nations' sizes and have them run by the community? Neutrally-aligned, inactive in current affairs, but continuing to be written about just for historical purposes. Either anyone can contribute, or we can group into committees. We have gained too much to throw away at this point.

The sheer magnitude of this incident would be enough to cause a noticeable disruption in our worldbuilding. Every step we take as a community in handling this must be very carefully deliberated.

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On 10/9/2019 at 1:14 PM, Andalla said:

This is truly so appalling. As someone who has interacted with Rihan, Kipan and Tikva, this is both very shocking and disappointing.

I understand the nation of Rihan will be retained as an NPC. But how about Kipan? In terms of lore and history, I'm estimating more interactions have been made with Kipan as it was, and still is, our only Japan-analog. Definitely a good chunk of lore surrounding @Fulgistan's Huang Empire would have to be sliced off. Not to mention occasional connections with the histories of surrounding nations, Andalla very much included.

On another note - with such a large amount of power in our hands, I feel it would be unwise to completely turn Rihan and all associated nations into NPCs or disintegrate them. As I've said, Kipan holds quite an important place in Eurth's lore. Perhaps we could just decrease the nations' sizes and have them run by the community? Neutrally-aligned, inactive in current affairs, but continuing to be written about just for historical purposes. Either anyone can contribute, or we can group into committees. We have gained too much to throw away at this point.

The sheer magnitude of this incident would be enough to cause a noticeable disruption in our worldbuilding. Every step we take as a community in handling this must be very carefully deliberated.

I suppose we could end up getting a Japan-alike in the future. I'd rather hold that position open for them than allow a duplicitous liar continued mileage in the wurld and its canon.

This is basically my opinion on him and all his alts.

It's a massive pain in the arse, certainly, as I also wasted a lot of my time on the c*nt. But I'd rather it was entirely scrubbed than to continue looking at a memorial on how he decided that he could break the rules for our own good.

He is a shitbag and should go the way of all the shitbags.

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First of all, as the nation that is most likely the most affected by this (see the CAP), I am more amazed than appalled as running that many nations with that level of quality has to take some real dedication. Then again, I am hugely disappointed as many plans shall be thrown to the landfills.

I also need to get this off my chest:

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Personally, how I think the proper way to proceed is to simply scrap everything. I think it's best to just remove everything and go on our merry way. It also has a hint of poetic justice that a player who tried to have such a sizable mark on the RP via multiple nations, in the end would have none. Also effectively being the sole Aurelian nation (until Kirvina comes back), I'd like that my request be taken especially into consideration.

The biggest consequence will be the Aurelian League which I would suggest be made into a historical RP around the same time as the European Common Market or Mercosur. This should be further expanded upon once Aurelia has some active members. 

In my opinion simply removing Rihan completely is a far better option than having some lifeless NPC which would:

1. Show the region's inability to move past the issue

2. Drag around a bloated-corpse of a nation that will ultimately just take up space 

That is all.

Best wishes, 

Shhfahkia

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I’ve mostly renamed silent on this issue, mainly because I won’t be as affected by Rihan and his duplicates being removed. But I will say I strongly agree with Oyus and Shffahkia that Rihan should be entirely scrubbed and to leave as minimal trace of him as possible. 


Shffahkia put it best. If we let any form of Rihan stay, it will only show outsider’s Eurth is unable to move one from events like that and encourage people to come into the server and bash around the community once in the map. Also the collective territories of Rihan and all his duplicates have a large land area and cover a few ethnic groups. It would be unfair to newer players to have to deal with that because we as a group didn’t want to put the extra effort of wiping his influence from the community.

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As said before, any puppets of Rihan will be scrubbed from the canon completely. I myself have been busy at removing mentions of Rihan from the wiki, which I'd guesstimate I'm about 30% done with, and while O merely marked his puppets, be assured that they will be removed from the map. The area where Rihan's nation was located will be changed up to accommodate an unrelated NPC, which will serve both as a testbed for a system under development as well as serve as a way for nations to maintain their interactions if they so wish in order to minimize the changes to canon needed. Should the nation not be wanted/needed after being a testbed, we can always see about deleting that too.

Don't see a slow progress as 'not wanting to put extra effort' into it. However, everyone has lives too and work and/or studies have to come first. This also isn't the only thing we're working on as a team and it ties into multiple other things we're looking at improving, revising, etc. What I can say right now is that you can expect great strides on all fronts Eurth soon, not just on the removal of Rihan and his multiple personalities.

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20 hours ago, Variota said:

As said before, any puppets of Rihan will be scrubbed from the canon completely. I myself have been busy at removing mentions of Rihan from the wiki, which I'd guesstimate I'm about 30% done with, and while O merely marked his puppets, be assured that they will be removed from the map. The area where Rihan's nation was located will be changed up to accommodate an unrelated NPC, which will serve both as a testbed for a system under development as well as serve as a way for nations to maintain their interactions if they so wish in order to minimize the changes to canon needed. Should the nation not be wanted/needed after being a testbed, we can always see about deleting that too.

Don't see a slow progress as 'not wanting to put extra effort' into it. However, everyone has lives too and work and/or studies have to come first. This also isn't the only thing we're working on as a team and it ties into multiple other things we're looking at improving, revising, etc. What I can say right now is that you can expect great strides on all fronts Eurth soon, not just on the removal of Rihan and his multiple personalities.

I’m not saying the current slow progress is  “not wanting to put in the extra time”. I’m saying not entirely getting rid of Rihan and his puppets is. If it’s being used as a testing grounds for a new idea, sure, but at the very least shrink the size of his nation down. Don’t give it the satisfaction of holding a large amount of territory.

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