Request: Creaturae

[Heiheguo]

Nation in Europa: Creaturae

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Capital name: Confugerunt

Capital location: [Inland with river access]

 

Factbook link:http://www.europans.com/topic/5507-wip-de-legatis-foederationis-creaturae-factbook-megapost/?tab=comments#comment-40014021

Newsroom link:http://www.europans.com/topic/5508-academy-rp-et-quotidie-verbo/?tab=comments#comment-40014027

 

Culture: Creatum (Aroman mixed with continental native culture)

Climate: Mediterranean / Oceanic

Location: Anywhere in the "new" world

History: Creaturae was originally settled by native tribes-people over three-thousand years ago, inhabiting much of what is modern-day Creaturae. After the arrival of the first Advenae in the year 102 C.E., the natives were either killed off from plagues and illnesses they had no immunity to, relocated to make room for more settlers or integrated into the Creatum society. The latter option became quite popular in the 2nd and 3rd century after the Natives had developed immunity to the Europan diseases, many Advenae welcomed them into their society. The natives' spiritual believes influenced the major Creatum religion, de Cultu Deorum, and those influences can be easily seen when comparing even modern-day purists of the two beliefs. Following the collapse of the Aroman Empire with Creaturae nearly joined them. Many died during the Great Suffering, as lack of imports meant that there wasn't a constant influx of food and other materials required to sustain the start of a colony. Miraculously, the Advenae recovered from the famine and elected the Colonial overseer, the Caesar-appointed colonial manager, as their temporary leader. This would end up becoming a permanent position in the Creatum government. After being cut off from their only trading partner and without the resources or luxury to create their own ships, Creaturae was completely cut off from the sea and, by extension, Europa. Knowledge of Creaturae disappeared completely. It was only in the 15th century, over 13 centuries later, that the Europans rediscovered the old colony, now only vaguely similar to the once-mighty Aromans. Now, in the modern era, Creaturae is relatively uninvolved in international affairs. Their main influence over other nations is their large influx of tourists and immigrants, as well as their significant population and protection of Native-peoples (larger than other Europan colonies).

[Iverica]

Hi there Creaturae!

Since I'm here right now and available, I have the following inputs for you:

1. Points that strike me: Relatively uninvolved, Aroman, Colony, Inland.
2. As a whole your write up makes me think of the following conditions:

(1) The closer to Aroman Europa, the better.

(2) If "uninvolved", then isolated river valley makes the most sense.

However, given the above two I have just mentioned, it might be difficult to accomodate a "Mediterrean/Oceanic" climate. Both conditions above have you best suited for Central Eastern Argis--which is more temperate/taiga/alpine. If this doesn't bother you too much, we can move forward with the following suggestions:

All Three are as close to Aroman Europa in the new world as it gets without putting you in a rather frigid region (near Astriedan). It also puts you near other new world Rome-esque cultures.

RED: Appears to be the most logical out of the 3. The surrounding mountains make for a lot of "uninvolvement" in historical affairs/make it hard for you to have contact with late Renaissance colonisers.

BLUE: Is not bad either, it puts you on what could be an elevated plain flanked by rivers--though this is a much smaller area.

YELLOW: Seems the least isolated of the three. Perhaps more like the Scottish highlands and hills.
 

If having a Mediterranean climate is a lot more important than I presumed, I'd suggest letting us know what you'd be willing to compromise. We could put you in the Mediargic region (The four seas between Western Argis and Northern Alharu), but that would entail a likely drop in your "Aroman-ness" or your reclusiveness (it is a pretty big trading area).

 

Let us know what you think! 

[Iverica]

UPDATE

After some discussion about the realism of cross-oceanic colonisation, its become clear that the best way to maintain this "classical-era colonisation" scenario in the OP is to settle Creaturae in the far east of Argis. While it is considerably colder, the southern coast is not exactly bad. It still is quite isolated, allowing for that "recluse" outlook.

 

Both Purple and Orange in the far eastern region of Argis seem to be likely candidates for you. Again, if the climate doesn't matter so much.

[Heiheguo]

12 hours ago, Iverica said:

Points that strike me: Relatively uninvolved... Inland.

These two points aren't quite right. The capital itself is a few kilometers inland, but the actual nation has plenty of coastline. As for being relatively uninvolved (in international affairs), that's more-so a modern Creatum international policy.

That being said, Blue and Red are both really good locations. Purple and Orange are a bit too far north for my liking. Looking at the climate map, I do see that they are somewhat similar to what I'm looking for. But, comparing it to a rough guestimation of climate based on this Artifexian video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fag48Nh8PXE), that area would be way closer to the Siberian wastelands. Even though that's not the case, I'd still prefer being farther south.

Not sure what else to say, though. I think I prefer Blue over Red, simply because of the Southern location.

Edited September 19, 2019 by Creaturae
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[Iverica]

On 9/19/2019 at 4:56 AM, Creaturae said:

After being cut off from their only trading partner and without the resources or luxury to create their own ships, Creaturae was completely cut off from the sea and, by extension, Europa. Knowledge of Creaturae disappeared completely. 

Alright, I assumed the above quote meant quite literally that you had some how lost access or control of your ports. Since it isn't that opens up some more choices.

We have two directions we can go with this:

(1) We can refine a more accurate placement for you in that region of central eastern Argis (in a location in or near blue). *Note that this would mean lessening your similarity/connection with Aroman culture and influence quite significantly*

 

(2) We can find a place of similar climate to Red/Blue/Yellow in far eastern Argis south of Orange and Purple. The climate map gives us some coastal areas there of similar climate to RGY. *Now you've expressed that this is a bit far north for your liking--I can quite sympathise with the dilemma this split of choices gives us. The only reason why far eastern Argis is still being suggested is because it seems like the only place where an Aroman colony in the new world is possible. Any further away and it would be hard to justify realistically for classical era colonisation.* 

(square rigging hasn't been discovered yet, build more libraries in your cities, increase your science per turn, quick, Egypt is stealing all the wonders /joke)

[Heiheguo]

2 hours ago, Iverica said:

Alright, I assumed the above quote meant quite literally that you had some how lost access or control of your ports. Since it isn't that opens up some more choices.

Ah, bad wording on my part. Should have just phrased it as "Creaturae was completely cut off from Europa."

Anyway, I'd like to ask what exactly you mean by "lessening my nation's connection to Aroma significantly"? I think it's important to define that before going forward.

One thing I would like to add, however, is how I envisioned an exploration + colonization of Argis would have occurred.

It wasn't uncommon for explorers irl to not find land despite sailing close to it, so I feel something like this would be possible? And, even if they did discover the North-eastern peninsula, I would think they'd designate it as "not suitable for immediate colonization". That's just my thoughts, though, and I don't really have any control over what the Aroman empire would or wouldn't have done.

[Iverica]

On the "Lessening of Connections to Aroma"

I think we can say that a "strong connection" would entail regular trade routes directly between Aroman ports and yours--as any colony would need to be of use to the greater empire. Lessening your connection would mean changing this status of a regular and therefore, contributing colony of the Aroma, to one which is more of an outpost or vestige of an extremely ambituous exploration (whatever reason, be it fugitive or economic, can be supplied later).

What I'm saying roughly amounts to: If Creaturae were to be very far from Aroman Europa, then it would not be able to (at least feasibly based on the performance of Hellenistic-era ships e.g. Galley type vessels) maintain regular and safe trade routes. If said routes are not maintained, we can conclude that the influence of Aroman culture is strongly diminished--to the point where local culture, would be strong enough to prevent a total assimilation of Aroman language, customs, and icons.

This point relies on the following assumptions:

1. That Galley type vessels and classical navigation would have great difficulty safely crossing what is equivalent to the Northern Atlantic with out many and safe islands to resupply and navigate from.
2. That the influence of culture relies strongly on trade routes.

If the assumptions are not contested, its reasonable to say that an Aroman presence in central eastern Argis would be roughly comparable to an outpost or settlement of survivors with infrequent contact with their homeland. I think we can roughly compare the situation to the irl Norse in North America (pre-columbus) and at most optimistic cases, the outpost city of Alexandria Eschate--a vestige of the Alexandrian conquest of the far east.
 

Given these points, I want to stress that wish to find a better resolution that gets the lore you've mentioned as realistically as possible. So to do this, I'd very much like to have a more real-time conversation with you. How does a PM session on Discord sound? Please let me know!

[Heiheguo]

7 hours ago, Iverica said:

Given these points, I want to stress that wish to find a better resolution that gets the lore you've mentioned as realistically as possible. So to do this, I'd very much like to have a more real-time conversation with you. How does a PM session on Discord sound? Please let me know!

Sounds good. I'll shoot you a direct message as soon as I've got some free-time.

[Orioni]

@Iverica Good calls.

@Creaturae Just a quick note: I'm still away on holiday, without the necessary tools to process map requests. Scheduled return is sometime on the 26th of this month.

[Orioni]

@Creaturae Have you decided on where to go with your map claim?