The Cross, the Crescent, and the Dragon

[Salvia]

This is the OOC thread for the planning of the Salvian crusade of the Yellow Empire (@Fulgistan) and @Sayf, taking place sometime between the late 15th and 16th centuries.

The plan currently is that the Salvian Empire, with possible support from other Christian nations, would attempt crusades against the pagan/Muslim nations.  These would most likely fail, being comparable if not faring worse than the IRL crusades.  Maybe the expansion of the respective empires would be stunted or a few crusader kingdoms would be established, but they would be short-lived victories.

[Limonaia]

I think Limonaia would either remain neutral or actively work against such crusades... Although Limonaia wouldn't be united at this point and I could have different Limonaian states act differently in regards to the crusades.

Edited June 29, 2019 by Limonaia (see edit history)

[Salvia]

2 hours ago, Limonaia said:

I think Limonaia would either remain neutral or actively work against such crusades... Although Limonaia wouldn't be united at this point and I could have different Limonaian states act differently in regards to the crusades.

Out of curiosity, why would you work against these crusades?

[Salvia]

I'll probably make the first post soon-ish.  It'll just be the announcement of the crusade and preparations beginning.  I know we can skip ahead time wise, but it'll still take a bit before anything else happens.

@Tagmatium Rules would you be interested in possibly supporting or being involved in this?

@Aluxia @Greater Serbia @Variota I don't know where you all are at during this time period (right now looking like 1550's), but would any of you be involved?  

@Iverica Due to our diarchic relationship, a decree for a crusade would probably involve your half of the church.  I'll hit you up on Discord if you're interested, otherwise this could be just a Salvian thing.

[Tagmatium Rules]

I could play into the Aluxian thing, as my nation did send missionaries over there.

Although the late 1400s and early 1500s saw Tagmatium undergoing another period of civil war.

[Tagmatium Rules]

51 minutes ago, Rihan said:

Off-topic for a moment: you get a civil war, and you get a civil war, everyone gets a civil war.

Okay, back on topic: Rihan would also be relatively young as a state but in the 1500's many were sailing the oceans so interactions and intervenions are possible even for non-religious individuals. They'd be in for the cash. 

Honestly, civil war is probably Tagmatium's national sport.

[Sunset Sea Islands]

On 7/6/2019 at 9:32 PM, Kipan said:

I am quite far removed from where events for this story would take place, not to mention that Kipan would probably quite isolated at this time. I am not going to participate in this one.

I'm in the same boat.

[Variota]

While this reply is pretty late, it seems pretty odd to me to send a crusade to a place where you have no real vested interest to conquer it. Jerusalem and such were very much a point of interest for the Catholics invading them and just as much for the Muslims defending/taking it back. With Eurth's history, that position wouldn't really exist here and thus, in my opinion, the crusades would lose most of their religious backing. There's obviously something to say in regards to general 'Deus Vult, murder all those of a different religion than us' but with the way things would be in that case, I'd imagine general popularity among the peasants and such being less; you'll probably still have nobles without a shot at inheriting titles wanting to have a shot at gaining something or die trying. In general, the total manpower pool and ability to gain funds, etc. would also be smaller than IRL even if the circumstances were the same.

That being said, I'd imagine trying something like that would sooner lead my nation and people to work against you than with you. For one, we're probably just as close to heretics and heathens as the Muslims for any Proper Christian (TM) back then. We'd probably have just as much interest in keeping the Yellow Empire propped up for trade and/or eventual takeover for our own benefit as well as trying to keep back any streams of refugees that would naturally happen.

Of course, we're always pretty opportunistic so it's not improbable that Variotan seafarers would have convoyed over crusaders in exchange for pay and promise of land or that we tried/succeeded in grabbing a bit of land here and there during weak periods of the Yellow Empire. But that's more out of the want for power and wealth than any religious zeal.

 

Disclaimer: I've not really read the #worldbuilding channels and such for a while beyond when I got tagged so it could be that I'm missing bits and bobs of info.