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2. Well I made a sh*tty map of where there could be crisis nations, and I think they are safely inactive? SO any of the red highlighted nations, I'm not quite sure I either got all or I might have marked a coupe that aren't

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3. Well I imagine with a collapse of this scale, anybody who believe they should be involved. This would be a global scale event.

4. Some outcomes could be land annexations, creation of puppet states, other non-Europan nations gaining a heavier economic influence, other natinos increasing in population and unrest due to their refugee policy.

5. I imagine that would have to be evaluated on a case by case basis.

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I guess with what you said just in mind, it sounds like nobody would agree to any of this since it would just destroy everything everywhere for the most part. The only thing I'd have against this interpretation is how long these nations have been in crisis and are they even important to the global economy now? I'm not sure how long some of these nations have been gone but I've seen many referenced a decade ago. How rich were these nations to start (or to say how rich would they be now in Europa's more modern terms and not be nations brimming with railguns and space marines). Obviously if nations like Adaptus and Tagmatium just dropped into total chaos it would be terrifying to the global economy. 

I guess what would be good to establish is what are the non-active nations impact on the world now?

If that impact is still far too much then maybe instead of sort of smaller compromise, like the south western portion of Europa only (Assurym, Mirian, Europa Empire, Cabarria, Drogonryders etc). While of course still a big deal it wouldn't be apocalypse level. It's geographic area is a good place for a lot of nations to throw around their weight and whatnot.

I wouldn't want to start an RP where we would all be forced to destroy the economic progress our nations have been making.

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There is only one way this RP would go. And that total war.

Adaptus, would be damned in IC terms to see any part of Europa fall to a Western power. We'd rather a fragmented continent of former prosperous states (a one which we can hegemonically, and financially dominate with ease). To a one dominated by foreign powers. 

In essence. Adaptus would be forced to the point of war if it felt any part of Europa was under-threat. With that in mind, you are looking effectively at modern world war. Which would be absolutely devastating to all those involved, and those who are not involved also. There is also the fact, this situation could be a legitimate scenario where nuclear war becomes a logical and serious possibility. 

Like Ivy, I'm not saying this is a bad idea. Rather the opposite, it's a brilliant idea. However, to pull it off, we'd all need to seriously consider the fact, this could in IC terms, sink the region into a dark age. 

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Fleur de Lys is an inactive nation that I would like to invade, if we were to go ahead with this plan.

If you want something constructive, @Adaptus has mentioned going to war with any New World nation that wants involvement in Europa. I don't fancy that. 

It'd be interesting to hear a definitive administrative stance on where we stand with CTE'd/old, unused nations, though. With the current issues surrounding Vocenae and Fleur de Lys, I'm hesitant to make a final decision on whether I'd want to be involved, because it could just bring people who have long left the region out of the woodwork to ruin some good RP. That's not fair at all. I'd wait to hear the executive decision on where the community stands with such an issue before progressing.

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My 2 cents, I think that although this risks a 2nd world war, it would do a lot to revitalize the RP in the region, as buzzing as it is already. I think the main question would be WHY they collapsed, was it global unrest, market crashes, small scale wars turning into regional conflicts?

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Although I'm not the hugest fan of war RP (I made my nation pacifistic for a reason) and I dislike total apocalypses, I could align myself with the idea. I have been planning to take over my northern neighbours and a lot of Thalassa before, this could be an opportunity to pursue this goal. I'd like to go for some technocratic greater southeast asian co-prosperity sphere. Since I wouldn't want to do this by force (nor would I be able to with the excuse of an army I call the self-defence force), I'd have to go for a series of fun political intrigues.

However, we should keep in mind that this is a truly Eurth-shattering thing we're talking about. When I was new to Europa, I had the idea of a custom solar system, which had been beaten down then because it was considered to be too lorebreaking (hi Voc). I don't know how much of an experienced roleplayer @Seylos is, but I feel like this idea could be a similar rookie idea to mine.

One more, thing, @Little Flau is also only "semi-inactive", as he still is a part of the Manamana League and I have recently spoke with him about it.

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4 minutes ago, Sunset Sea Islands said:

However, we should keep in mind that this is a truly Eurth-shattering thing we're talking about. When I was new to Europa, I had the idea of a custom solar system, which had been beaten down then because it was considered to be too lorebreaking (hi Voc). I don't know how much of an experienced roleplayer @Seylos is, but I feel like this idea could be a similar rookie idea to mine.

One more, thing, @Little Flau is also only "semi-inactive", as he still is a part of the Manamana League and I have recently spoke with him about it.

Yes I am aware of how enormous of an event this would be. I've been closely talking to quite a few people about how they feel, what they would want out of an RP like this, and in the case of the conversation between me and @Iverica, how to construct a proper finished proposal that incorporates the ideas of everyone to be involved. This is why I would like everyone to be blunt with their opinions or even propose altered versions of what to do.

I'm not sure if custom solar system, and political collapse of inactive nations are quite in the same neighborhood.

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Honestly? These people have come and left; they have done their own things and made their own contributions — Let's try to leave it at that.

There are many other possibilities for potentially good and equally interesting RPs that do not call for the end of the world. And I don't see Europa as a region so helpless that it must kill itself to live on.

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My  points are from more of an IC perspective, cohabitating those of Tag's of a sort.

  • MH-Land doesn't have any sort of interest in the New Wurld, it has to a degree already intervened in it's activities to the North, and any further expansion or attempts to land upon the Occidental or anywhere near MH-Land's interests will result some frowny face moments, never mind the new power in charge. Some things change, some don't. 
  • Attempting to bring New Wurld 'Civilization' to the Occidental will be met with, probably a frowny face and a bayonet.
  • That being said, if the New Wurld nations stay of out the way, they will probably be met with disinterest. Southern Europa and indeed the area where SDC is and below? Doesn't concern MH-land. The main body and the area of their colony is all that matters to them.
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58 minutes ago, Haruspex said:

My  points are from more of an IC perspective, cohabitating those of Tag's of a sort.

  • MH-Land doesn't have any sort of interest in the New Wurld, it has to a degree already intervened in it's activities to the North, and any further expansion or attempts to land upon the Occidental or anywhere near MH-Land's interests will result some frowny face moments, never mind the new power in charge. Some things change, some don't. 
  • Attempting to bring New Wurld 'Civilization' to the Occidental will be met with, probably a frowny face and a bayonet.
  • That being said, if the New Wurld nations stay of out the way, they will probably be met with disinterest. Southern Europa and indeed the area where SDC is and below? Doesn't concern MH-land. The main body and the area of their colony is all that matters to them.

Maybe a good way to expand your holdings down around your colony - bringing peace and stability the Haru way!

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On 1/18/2021 at 9:00 AM, Tagmatium Rules said:

The first and most obvious one would be any suggested wipe or erasure of nations in Europa, although I do believe it was merely a suggestion. It does, however, need addressing. This was kind of suggested but is either impractical or needs close thought. Europa, certainly the Occident, western Burania and heading down into Amutia, is the cradle of not so much civilisations but cultural blocs. Northern Burania is pseudo-Scandinavian and Amutia is the analogue to Latin cultures. Scrubbing or amending those would blow a hole in what we have now. The other areas less so important and I think if we keep to putting nations of similar cultures there, then it should be fine - pending any further discussion and @Orioni's further plans for tweaking the map and cultures.

True. That's why the subcontinents were established. Highlighting the different cultures would be even easier with a simple cultures map. Then again, our cultures don't match most RL alternatives.

On 1/18/2021 at 9:00 AM, Tagmatium Rules said:

Tagmatium doesn't really give overmuch of a f*ck about eastern and southern Europa. Much of that is within the dastardly clutches of EOS and their foul Orinese puppetmasters. At best, a quagmire sucking them in would be pleasing to Arhomaneia. But it's their mess to sort out. If New Wurld nations started to meddle in Europa away from the areas Tagmatium feels it has power over, then that's on them.

Your estimate of the RP implications is largely correct. Those old inactive friends which joined EOS way back when are still IC members in my book. Any interference would certainly trigger the mutual defence clause. So you're right in describing it as a local Oriental sphere of influence.

Similary, ongoing conflicts in in the Occident won't really bother us that much. It depends to be seen how far Grand Anglia may go.

This leaves Azania (gateway to Marenesia) and Burania (dominated by Volsci).

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