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Starting our own Model UN


Orioni

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One of the main draws for me is international affairs and diplomacy. The rare times this is possible, is when someone organises an event or a meeting. I'd love to see more regular events like this happen.

This is why am proposing to create our own Model United Nations. (See Wikipedia for more information.) An institution for everyone to discuss IC their complaints about other nation's actions. An opportunity to be a force for good, or condemn evildoers. A linchpin for the creation of other institutions. Yet another way for news media to criticize ineffective politicians.

Practical

How do I see this working?

  • Everyone is a member, unless they explicitly demand to leave.
  • Combination of General Assembly and Security council.
  • Led by a Secretary-General who is elected every X months.
  • If this works, there can be offshoots and specialised agencies, for example: UNESCO, WHO, IMF, etc.

 

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I am a fan, but the assemblies must have power over the nations. I can see this as a great oppurtunity for participation for other nations who are not in current RPs . This could help other nations stay involved. It also helps us condemn (or commend) other nations with much more ease. I can already see it in my mind “Sanctions on (Insert country) for development of nuclear weapons.” The headlines write themselves!

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I feel like this could promote more international cooperation, but worry it will turn into a tyranny-of-the-majority style system and discourage people from taking their nation into more controversial situations. Not that playing a pariah state can't be fun... 

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Not sure if my opinion counts yet (as I'm not yet on the map) but: The RL UN began, in it's earliest form, after WW1 and then in a stronger form after WW2, because it was shown that the LoN lacked any real power. These organisations only worked because there was an actual need to do so, to have them. No nation will ever subject itself to possible power loss, condemnation and punishments if there is no forcing matter, no big secure feeling they can get from it. As far as I know (don't know much so I could be wrong) there is no forcing matter in place in the region for now, no real world-threatening conflicts bubbling up. So, it'd make sense to make the Europa UN a bullsh*tting organisation without any actual power (such as the LoN was for most of it's existence), atleast in the beginning. After that, you could have representatives from nations that'd want it to try and get the organisation more power and vice versa with those that want to keep it an empty shell. That would also make it more unique compared to a cookie cutter copy of the UN.

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On 01/10/2017 at 12:08 AM, Sunset Sea Islands said:

I also approve of this idea. If @Derthalen blows up the next set of nuclear reactors we can condemn him officially! ^^

Meh, go ahead. I am a bit surprised no one has already done this on their own already. 

I imagine the U.N. will end up as a talk shop.

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I support an idea of a UN but unlike what has been said, I do not think an Assembly should have direct control over a nation. If a Assembly is to have control over a nation it can turn into what has been already stated a tyranny of the majority. But a compromise could happen. The General Assembly is a combination of all Delegates but in order to do condemnations or whatever their should be an Assembly dedicated to each Nation. Now I know that means a lot of Bureaucracy but I believe it will even out the power amongst everyone. As for the Security Council, if everyone cannot have a delegate on the council then it shouldn't exist, this in real life has created the tyranny of the powerful and majority in my eyes.

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Alrighty. :) Thank you, everyone, for this overwhelming interest. I have two ongoing RP's to wrap up. Once those are properly finished, we can kick-off the MUN.

Are there any comments on the practical points I had already proposed? Do we make it 1 nation, 1 vote or more balanced? How often do we elect the Secretary-General, and for how many terms?

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On ‎10‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 8:15 AM, Orioni said:

Alrighty. :) Thank you, everyone, for this overwhelming interest. I have two ongoing RP's to wrap up. Once those are properly finished, we can kick-off the MUN.

Are there any comments on the practical points I had already proposed? Do we make it 1 nation, 1 vote or more balanced? How often do we elect the Secretary-General, and for how many terms?

definitely one vote for one nation only, and electing the Secretary General should be like all elections. The nominees should have a political platform and outline on which they wish to achieve in the position and so forth. that's my input

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One vote per nation will quickly establish an international consensus and help to define our pariah states. If we put in a security council, we'd have to hash out who gets to be on it, and that will probably create a lot of OOC bad blood. Plus, if every nation has an equal voice, it will encourage more cooperation of like-minded regimes who might otherwise shun outsiders.

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As is the standard, I'll be creating a subforum for all these activities. It will be next to the other international organisations already in existence. I will work on this later today.

Meanwhile, I advise all of you to read up on how a Model UN works, and how it is different from the real UN.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_United_Nations#Procedures

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As others have said, one vote per nation should do the trick. That way, you won't have small nations without a voice or force them to join into coalitions to pool their votes so that they actually mean something. I'd also suggest doing a 'host bid' for the seat, in which various nations can offer their city of choice as the best place to settle it in.

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1. Minimum requirements

We need a Secretary-General, committee chairs, and delegates from each nation. The United Nations is led by the Secretary General , who oversees the workings of the entire organization. There are five main principal organs of the United Nations system. For permanent departments, I see the following requirements:

  • General Assembly (GA): All RP nations are automatically included, but their participation and activity are not compulsory. 
  • Security Council (SC): If this proves to be too complex, we will move this function to the GA.
  • International Court of Justice (ICJ): settles legal disputes between nations; advices on legal questions submitted by the GA.
  • Economic and Social Council (ESC): do we need this?
  • Secretariat (SEC): do we need this?

In addition to these organs, there are numerous subsidiary organizations and committees that are focused in specialized areas. The more popular of these include the UN Environment Programme, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, the World Health Organization, and the World Bank. These could become available after we have set-up the principal organs.

The dais (mentioned below) only works offline RL situations, which is not practical for our online community. I lifted the following paragraphs from the Wikipedia article on Model United Nations.

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In order to maintain decorum, most Model UN committees use parliamentary procedure derived from Robert's Rules of Order. However, most crisis committees forgo the formality of parliamentary procedure so as to ensure smoother operation. In addition, recently the United Nations has spearheaded efforts to introduce new Model UN rules of procedure that are more closely aligned with those used by the actual UN.

The following rules of procedure apply to general MUNs but may not apply to every MUN:

  1. MUNs are run by a group of administrators known as the dais.
  2. A dais is headed by a Secretary-General.
  3. Each committee usually has a chair (also known as moderator), a member of the dais that enforces the rules of procedure.
  4. A delegate may request the committee as a whole to perform a particular action; this is known as a motion.
  5. Documents aiming to address the issue of the committee are known as resolutions and are voted for ratification.
 

2. Terminology

Here is an online dictionary of frequently used terms. Please use this first if you have trouble understanding certain words or concepts. If after reading this you still have questions, feel free to ask help from the community.

3. Permanent Committees

The RL UN has six permanent committees. We can borrow inspiration from these, but are not necessarily obligated to follow the same structure. Some of these could also be rolled up in the above mentioned permanent organs, as indicated by my arrows.

  1. Disarmament & International Security -> SC
  2. Economic & Financial -> ESC
  3. Social, Humanitarian & Cultural -> GA
  4. Special Political & Decolonization -> GA
  5. Administrative & Budgetary -> SEC
  6. Legal -> ICJ

4. Debating

For this part I am basing on a guide from THIMUN. We already have most of the required infrastructure in place.

5. Resolutions

There are several possible procedures for moving along with a resolution. I recommend the three variants described here, of which I find the 3rd one (UN4MUN) the most fitting our needs. I have shorted this into an understandeable example.

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1. A Chairperson facilitates the discussion for the committee. Delegates elect a Chair from among the pool of delegates. Formal Debate starts with delegates delivering a single speech for their country. They can also request a “Right of Reply” to respond to another delegate, not necessarily because they are offended, but also if they want to make a point or simply respond to an argument.

2. Delegates begin merging ideas until 1 resolution represents the interests of all groups. The goal isto find consensus.

3. The Chair will review of the resolution.

4. After  review, delegates will either adopt the resolution by consensus or through a vote.

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(Feel free to move my post if this thread isn't suited for it. However, since it's the only thread in that category, I didn't dare open a new one.)

Arriving after the battle, after reviewing the Iiwiki page, a few questions since I equally see a charter lacking.

  • Can any member nation propose resolutions (if so, in that part of the forum?) to discuss and vote?
  • Are there “permanent security member” or are all members equals, and so resolutions pass with a simple majority vote?
  • Are resolutions bidding (like IRL UN resolutions are technically sort of advises, texts are written that way generally, with a few exceptions, or states can ignore those, and it goes unnoticed often)?
  • How is established its budget?
  • Who's working on such project (charter creation)?

Having experienced such system equally frequently in other regions, I'd recommend a very simple and basic structure, since one reason why those [UN-like orgs] typically fail in RP is because they are real massive bureaucratic structure making it a real pain and more of a constraint rather than a useful tool or fun RP, so like focusing on a simple structure, like an assembly of nations voting, being able to debate and vote resolutions, and overtime amend the organisation itself when needed, is a good start (my two cents who nobody asked for).

Equally, would love to be able to suggest a charter or work on the matter with the person in charge.

Also, would suggest adding in the Article 5 of the RP rules the Assembled Nations, the fact that per default nations are part of this org (as stated in the IIWiki description of the org):

PS: the international conventions which are agreed to per default in article 5, would be fun to equally state that they've been done by the Assembled Nations, and rename them with Eurth cities, like I proposed back then the Rochetaillée Convention on Diplomatic Relations (and would in fact need to add the 1963 Convention on Consular Relations in my opinion) if I remember correctly.

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