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[IDEA] Romani ("gypsies") and Suverina?


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Last year I did some reading about the history of the Romani in the region of current-day Romania. I learnt a lot, oddly enough in school we never got to learn that slavery existed in Europe until the mid 19th century. (We also never spoke about slavery and piracy of North Africa. One would think history teaching in Sweden would be more Euro-centric than America-centric...)

 

Now that we've had regular activity here again I've naturally been thinking more of Suverina and how the nation is (and its past).

 

I've always had a minority in my nation, I settled recently that I'll refer to them as Transilvanians, living in the region of Transilvania. (Located in/near the Transilvanian mountains.)

 

But I was thinking maybe I should add a third minority? My initial inspiration for Suverina was Moldova/Romania/Balcans, which eventually expanded into my nation being based on Molodova/Romania/Ukraine/Russia. So I'm thinking it may be interesting to add Romani as a minority and have them have a similar history to the Romani of Moldova/Wallachia (Romania). With the dark history of slavery and all up until modern day and their current life situation.

 

Why I'm writing here is because I'm wondering about your opinions: if you think it would enrich and add flavour to both Suverina's past and present? And if you think it would add flavour to my roleplaying (for others when reading) or just make things more complex for myself?

 

(I'm not sure what to categorize the topic as, so I'll leave that to someone else.)

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Well, it can be quite interesting. Important detail is: how much of a difference does it make? As in: Does it affect day-to-day life? Are there any public figures from that background that struggle to get full recognition because of that? If it plays no important role, expanding on those details will only result in a LOT of work for only yourself.

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Well, it can be quite interesting. Important detail is: how much of a difference does it make? As in: Does it affect day-to-day life? Are there any public figures from that background that struggle to get full recognition because of that? If it plays no important role, expanding on those details will only result in a LOT of work for only yourself.

 

Sounds really good Suv, I like it. Makes sense in terms of your nations overall makeup and fits naturally.

 

Would you be looking to RP this in some way?

 

Should I go with it: despite discrimination against Romani being illegal since 1990 (the revolution) they are still discriminated against in Suverina. Much like in Romania.

 

Social marginalization of a minority group is something that would have effect on society every day, I assume.

 

One example I'd use it in RP would be to weave it in to the "drug cartel RP". Because of the alienation of Romani by Suverin society they'd be overrepresented amongst criminals. I also thought that I could coin a nickname for powdered cocaine and call it "Gypsy powder" and have it be an old nickname since the 1880's. The Romani wouldn't be running any large organized crime syndicates, but they'd initially be heavily targeted and blaimed by society and the Gendarmerie.

 

Having the Romani as a minority would of course lead to me using/creating characters that are Romani or of Romani ancestry, which would affect those characters in several ways. Both prominent and non-prominent figures in various storylines.

 

I wouldn't say it plays an important role, but I'm thinking that it could play a role in many different ways with different characters and scenarios. I think it would be fun and add depth to both Suverina's past and present. Also I like Suverina to be this ginormous propaganda machine always spewing out how superior Suverin socialism is to all other ideologies and societies, always telling everyone that everything is perfect and great and while a lot of things might be great in Suverina and the economy is in perpetual growth I like to show the darker sides, the sides the propaganda doesn't tell you. The face behind the mask, if you will. It gives depth and complexity (in a good way), does it not?

 

When creating the plot for my smallpox RP I decided I would have rivaling foreign intelligence agencies, one miilitary and one civilian. While I only got as far as hinting about the rivalry in that RP the conflict between the intelligence agencies recently re-surfaced IC again. For the G7 summit that is just flavour information, I plan on toying with this rivalry in other plots as I wrote about in another thread.

 

I think the Romani thing could be woven into lots of different things, adding depth and flavour. I'd enjoy it, but I still want to know if you would appreciate such details, I'm hoping what I write is actually interesting to others as well and not just to myself.

 

Also, we'd have an IC correspondent to Romani ("gypsies"), which means Suverina region is their primary home region (where they originated from in the first place can be established once we established where our Northern India would be, but they migrated to the Suverina region), but we (you all) could freely have/use Romani travellers and such (to use a sterotype example). So we'd have Romani similar to the real world. There is no unemployment in Suverina, the government would say, which is half-true, since if there aren't any jobs fake jobs are created for them. But some still don't get jobs, it could be because they're labelled as dissidents and the state tries to break them down by refusing to let them work or travel and such (just like the DDR), but people can also not be given jobs because of discrimination. When some Romani person applies for a job (all jobs are allocated through the state, even if someone offers someone a job the government must approve) and the administrator handling the case has prejudices against Romani s/he might just deny the application, either making up a reason or even just by destroying the application and pretending it never came in, which later would result in the government wondering why the applicant doesn't want to work. And such. Which would result in some Romani seeking luck abroad, so Romani could figurate anywhere should anyone wish it.

Is it a downtrodden romani beggar by the door of parliament who's left Suverina trying to get a better life? Or is it a secretary for one your ministers who left Suverina and found luck abroad and now despises anything associated with Suverina? The possibilities are yours should you want it in order to add a bit of flavour.

 

And I'm very grateful that you're willing to act as my sounding board. It's much appreciated. 2-thumbup.gif

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I think it's a really interesting concept Suv, and only adds to, not only the depth of RP, but also a good measure to how serious we take out RP here, and the high quality which we strive for. It's small details like this that add to the quality reputation Europa has, and adding it only helps demonstrate that in this "new age" we are experiencing. So with that said, go for it!

 

It also adds an extra dynamic for both yourself and other nations to take advantage of. For example, having your Balkan esque nation so close in proximity to both a Graeco-Roman and Byzintine neighbour can add an excellent additional layer, which can be routed in reality. With both Adaptus and I'd imagine Tagmatium being very anti-migration and in teen anti-gypsie just as those civilisations were originally. Which can be used as for example some teething problems to new Adapton-Suverin relations? Or a co-operative aspect where both nations show clear racism towards the gypsies.

 

We could even RP a miniature migration crisis as the Romani begin to flee Survernia on mass? And as a result are facing struggle as they do so?

 

Just a couple of ideas. But the concept is definitely solid Suv!

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Should I go with it: despite discrimination against Romani being illegal since 1990 (the revolution) they are still discriminated against in Suverina. Much like in Romania.

 

Social marginalization of a minority group is something that would have effect on society every day, I assume.

If you are going to marginalize a specific social group, they will probably behave like outcasts and cluster together. From my own experience in real-life I know how strong these diaspora can be.

 

One other social dynamic you will run into is prejudice. Your social group will probably contain a small criminal element. The larger group will be blamed for this. This will stigmatise the group even more.

 

You can really use this in your story. Perhaps you can highlight these social issue in a news story, to help us get familiar with them.

 

I am doing something similar with poor fishermen making money on the side by trafficking drugs.http://z7.invisionfree.com/Europa/index.ph...post&p=40002604 This fits into the larger issue of terrorists trying to break away the northern region.http://z7.invisionfree.com/Europa/index.php?showtopic=4141

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