[OOC] Reopening Int. Relations

[Orioni]

IC: http://z7.invisionfree.com/Europa/index.php?showtopic=4030

 

All your responses have been perfectly crafted. Being well aware of the existing difficulties between your nations, I took the real-life G8 as an example. Obama can't stand Putin, but they can't ignore each other either. Granted, it is the United Nations that should represent the will of all nations. But over the past 15 years, it has been the G8 that has led the decision making.

 

For Europa, a G7 of active RP nations could very well be an opportunity for strong feelings to emerge. Also, it remains to be seen if all invitees join in. If not, this invitation is as dead as a dodo. Which is fine as well. Makes everything a lot more complex.

 

For what it's worth: this has been a poke at sleeping giants. Let's see what happens.

[Adaptus]

Opening topic for discussion.

 

Thought it may be needed for coming events.

 

[Orioni]

So you guys feel like throwing a tantrum because I gave your enemies a compliment as well. It's dirty work, but somebody's gotta lead the charge.

[Adaptus]

Do we have any advances on where this meeting will be hosted and when? Now the New Year is over and people are settling back into work/school routines does anyone have a suggestion?

[Jilderen]

A few more details would be welcome, yes.

[Suverina]

O isn't fully well atm, so let's give it some time and sort out the details. All in due time.

[Suverina]

Jild: I do feel as if we present a united front against the Orionii we're in a beter position to negotiate. Since we are so we few active nations RPing the summit would be rather meaningless without any of us two, but for the sake of roleplay, a G6 would be doable instead of G7.

 

What are your exact goals by attending? Sort of seems as you'd prefer to go with "hey, let's have a pan-Europan conference instead?".

 

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O:

Why was Voc invited btw? He is a former nation.

[Jilderen]

Suv: That is most certainly the idea. Jilderen isn't a fan at all of other nations meddling in their affairs, so skepticism all around on that point. That also translates into, as you call it, a preference of a pan-Europan meeting. Still, what the actual goal of attending is, depends on the RP that follows. Jilderen will be present, but be it with a full diplomatic entourage or just a lone representative I don't know yet.

 

Any type of goal you'd like to achieve?

[Suverina]

Jild: First, what drives Suverina is pride, a somewhat stuck-up pride. National pride is a big issue for Suverina, by national tradition but also due to propagadana. You know how I go on and on about "the superiority of Suverin socialism..." etc. When it comes to pride Suverina can be a bit bullheaded. One can compare to how Russia often behaves towards the EU or US.

 

So, it's a matter of pride having Adaptus there and them being treated as an equal partner. Suverina was very unpopular after the whole AdSoc-thing, and Suverina does not want to lose any pride over this. Suverina stands by her actions. And treating Adaptus as an equal could look as if Suverina now was grovelling.

 

But secondly, Suverina hope that this perhaps could lead to Adaptus stepping up and requesting to re-establish diplomatic relations. It's like childish pride, "I'll apologize but only if he does first". To Suverina that would look like Adaptus saying "hey, we cool, let's move on" instead of Suverina coming crawling begging for forgiveness.

 

I could you know, join you on a pan-Europan conference idea. Or at least show some support for it. Even though I could see the advantages to have a "Group of X" summit as well as a Pan-Europan. (Especially, since few nations, no more than the G7 summit, would actually be joining us for RPing a P-E conference.)

 

Edit: One could also press for some sort of compromise, like adding the discussion of a Pan-Europan conference/summit to the agenda, and/or invite all others as observers.

Edited January 5, 2016 by Suverina (see edit history)

[Adaptus]

I'm starting to feel lonely in the corner. Everyone's ganging up on me.

 

Just to make you aware Suv. Not sure the Adapton delegation would feel the need to apologies. I'm sure they'll be in a position to talk however. I just don't think they'd view themselves as having done anything wrong in terms of Suvernia. They'd be suspicious and and negative, but not outright hostile.

 

Also, considering Suvernia confiscated Adapton business and assets withing Survernia, asking the Adaptons to apologies might not go down well. But like I said. I'm sure they would be willing to enter discussions.

 

Just from their point of view, they fought against oppressors, not necessarily socialists or communists. So their grudge isn't and ideological one. More of a material one. If that makes sense?

[Suverina]

I never asked for an apology, merely that Apatus would take the first step. Then, as a sign of goodwill we could we discuss compebsation for all seized assets.

[Jilderen]

Well, seems like the two of you are going to have fun doing this in RP ;-)

[Adaptus]

Ah I see. I don't think the Adapton delegation will have any issue with initiating a discussion. That's certainly within their remit for going. But with very limited information within Adaptus due to closure of embassies they would need some formal introduction first. Hopefully O could help with that? Then we can get the ball rolling.

 

Is that ok?

[Orioni]

@Adaptus: Ideally you all come with your own agenda of what you wish yo achieve, and we can clash it out at the debating tables.

 

@Suverina: How if your plan of a drugs cartel coming along? This would make for a good topic of discussion, and is something that could make for a nice escalation. http://z7.invisionfree.com/Europa/index.ph...post&p=22052664

[Jilderen]

Maybe something will go down in or near Jilderen soon. Maybe.

 

Still, drugs all around!

[Orioni]

Alright, as for the location: I'll be doing this in my own nation. If that is unacceptable, I propose we do it in EE's nation, since he's eternally neutral and a lot closer to your location in the west.

[Jilderen]

It's all far away from down south. As you were the one inviting, I was exepecting you to host it.

[Orioni]

Certainly can host this affair.

 

Just asking if neutral ground is needed, seeing how Suv and Adapt don't get along.

 

Once I have confirmation, my prepared scenario will move ahead as planned.

[Adaptus]

I'm fine with it being help in Orioni.

[Suverina]

Since O, alone, sent the invite I expected it would take place in Orioni.

 

Well, I've made my move. Now it's up to to O and Adaptus to make theirs, should they wish.

[Suverina]

@Suverina: How if your plan of a drugs cartel coming along? This would make for a good topic of discussion, and is something that could make for a nice escalation. http://z7.invisionfree.com/Europa/index.ph...post&p=22052664

My minds been pretty busy with other things lately, but now I'll be able to start handling all this. I have given it a little bit of thought though. Am very excited to be roleplaying again.

 

I'll do some thinking and tinkering during the day. I'll get back to you all later today or tomorrow as latest. So we can all feedback and coordinate.

 

Edit: And O (and Adaptus), feel free to discuss the whole Suverin-Adaptus informal mediation thing OOC here if you'd like. Unless you like agree with my IC proposition fully, then I guess Adaptus feedback would be welcome.

Edited January 18, 2016 by Suverina (see edit history)

[Orioni]

So I just posted the official invitation for you all. I also made a nice little banner to make it official. I am well aware that this will be more like a G4 in stead of a G7, but that's ok. I will integrate it in my discours. http://z7.invisionfree.com/Europa/index.ph...post&p=22053821

 

As indicated, the event will be during 3 days. I have already begun writing my posts for these three days. You are welcome to comment, but I can understand if not everyone has the time during the weekend. I will make sure to post the entire story for that day in the morning, so you all have enough time to read and respond. (So if I post at 09:00h, this will already include the time-warped story for the entire day: morning, afternoon and evening.) The ideas that will be presented are sure to stir up some responses from all of you.

 

@ Suverina:

1. Unsure who will be coming from your nation. Do you think Queen Eva will be able to attend? Would be nice if that's possible, since it will affect a part of the long-term storyline I have in mind.

2. Also for you: I have yet to come up with an idea of how to fix the relations between Suverina and Adaptus. I don't quite grasp the whole conflict, so without a good understanding of the backstory, it is a challenge to come up with something.

[Jilderen]

I should be able to produce a proper response, but I'm still unsure as to whom to send over to the summit. Still, it would be fun to see how the initial story is presented. Jilderen is quite stubborn, so we'll see how much actuall can be achieved.

[Orioni]

Day 1 will be about receiving delegations, touring the city and the state dinner. Fairly soft politics. Behind the scenes, there will be some informal talks to settle the dispute between Suv and Adapt, but I still need to figure this out.

 

Day 2 will focus on security, and explain some of the stuff that Suv has been preparing regarding the whole drugs deal. I don't want to reveal too much, but I'm fairly sure this will probably evoke the strongest responses. Accepted or not, this includes a significant part of the storyline I see is RP'ing this year. International consensus would be nice, but is not a requirement. I can still push ahead on my own when it comes to my own sphere of influence.

 

Day 3 will respond to the whole security idea from an economical point of view, and propose some more solutions to prevent the whole region from becoming a slippery slope. One example: the councillor for Trade will push for lower tariffs. Orioni, with it's role as maritime trading nation, has been seeking to reduce it's trade deficit, similar to what China is doing in ASEAN and the rest of Asia. I will present some stats based on the NS calculations for everyone's nation: http://www.broomdces.com/nseconomy/regions...=europa&trade=7

[Suverina]

@ Suverina:

1. Unsure who will be coming from your nation. Do you think Queen Eva will be able to attend? Would be nice if that's possible, since it will affect a part of the long-term storyline I have in mind.

2. Also for you: I have yet to come up with an idea of how to fix the relations between Suverina and Adaptus. I don't quite grasp the whole conflict, so without a good understanding of the backstory, it is a challenge to come up with something.

1. Since Adaptus is attendning, Suverina will not (during the current circumstances).

 

2. Civil war in Adaptus is what happened, I don't really think you need to know the whole story. (But I can go in to more detail if you wish.) Suverina did not condone the LT invasion of Adaptus (which started the civil war) and pushed to try diplomatic solutions first. Suverina cut all ties with Tagmatium and Adaptus. All adapton assets in Suverina were seized. Things have remained that way and Suverina has not yet even recognized the "new" government in Adaptus.

 

I don't know if Adaptus would agree to request to re-initiate formal diplomatic ties, but they sure won't do it unless someone suggests it to them. I did write you a suggestion IC. You only have to relay info from informal sources and see if teh Adaptons take the bait.

 

Edit:

Regarding #1: Should the Adaptus matter be solved Her Majesty can attend.

 

 

Edited January 23, 2016 by Suverina (see edit history)