NeoCons-club falling apart?

[Orioni]

Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz have been out of the picture for quite some time, Rove quit, and now US Attorney General Gonzalez resigns.

 

Are the rats leaving the sinking ship? If so, why is Cheney still there?

[Beautancus]

Because then there would be no one left to tell Georgy-boy what to do next.

 

In all seriousness though, I say good riddance- and even more seriously- I also say far too late. But I mean really, the broader socio-economic-political trend that produced neo-liberalism globally, and it's American illegitimate child neo-conservativism isn't going to disappear when Bush and all the (semi)fascist pricks he's surrounded himself with go out of office. Even if a Democrat (even a woman, or a black man) is elected to office (and I still have my doubts despite being and obvious and rather active Democrat) America will remain the same global powerhouse it has been for years, giving everyone else (mainly Russia and China, gods I wish India was a bit more organized) in the world a reason to want to outshine/smash us. Americans don't want to loose their influence/power/wealth, and yadda yadda yadda- nothing gets better. Liberal, conservative, idiot or what. Guess I'm just becoming wildly cynical in my old age.

[Tagmatium Rules]

Guess I'm just becoming wildly cynical in my old age.

I think you've probably got good reason to be cynical. I recently read part of a speech by Barrac Obama (I think my spelling is suspecy), which advocated the invasion of Pakistan, which, although justified to a point by the fact that the Pakistani government is turning a blind eye the Taliban activity in the north of their nation, would only inflame Muslim attitudes towards the US and shows that, no matter who is in charge of the US, their actions will be the same. On top of that, Pakistan is one of the US's only allies in the region, albeit a very poor ally. It generally does do to attack your allies. I think I also heard that the US did indeed attack Taliban or Al-Qaeda positions in Pakistan, but I can seem to find any thing about that, so I could be wrong.

 

The noises the current American administration is making about Iran is also rather worrying, especially considering the fact than Iran is now arming itself with nuclear weaponry. May I ask what the Democratic Party's view on that matter is?

[Miiros]

Guess I'm just becoming wildly cynical in my old age.

I think you've probably got good reason to be cynical. I recently read part of a speech by Barrac Obama (I think my spelling is suspecy), which advocated the invasion of Pakistan, which, although justified to a point by the fact that the Pakistani government is turning a blind eye the Taliban activity in the north of their nation, would only inflame Muslim attitudes towards the US and shows that, no matter who is in charge of the US, their actions will be the same. On top of that, Pakistan is one of the US's only allies in the region, albeit a very poor ally. It generally does do to attack your allies. I think I also heard that the US did indeed attack Taliban or Al-Qaeda positions in Pakistan, but I can seem to find any thing about that, so I could be wrong.

 

The noises the current American administration is making about Iran is also rather worrying, especially considering the fact than Iran is now arming itself with nuclear weaponry. May I ask what the Democratic Party's view on that matter is?

I read that speech and am wholly unconcerned about Obama's remarks. He was not advocating an Iraq-style invasion of Pakistan, but limited strikes against terrorist targets if he had very good intelligence that a high-level target existed. He would ask Pakistan's leader for permission first, but ultimately would go ahead with the strike anyway. It is the pragmatic thing to do... but usually nations would do something like that secretly rather than bluntly state it on the campaign trail. I think he just wants to look tough. I have a lot of hope invested in Obama... but I am so afraid he'll be just another corrupt liar.

 

I believe Obama has stated in the past that (should he be president) his administration would be willing to open discourse with any leader (Iran, Cuba, North Korea) with no preconditions. This is a vast improvement to Bush refusing to speak to nations, which only deteriorates relations further.

[Corsimenia]

Pakistan is not exactly human rights heaven either. But then again a bad human rights record has never been an obstacle to obtaining a friendship with America as long as we have something to gain from it.