Populations

[Damak Var]

I want Damak Var's population to keep growing as it is on nationstates so I can claim more islands maybe. My current population on nationstates is 1.8 billion. To be honest, when RPing, I do not want my nation's population to be 1.8 billion strong.

 

I know everybody here supports realism when RPing, or should. So to be realistic I do not think we should base our populations from nationstates directly. Really, think how crowded a world Europa is when we have so many nations already with over a billion. Damak Var, in RP terms, would probably only have a population of 72 million. Really, with the amount of plots I have, 1.8 billion is just too unrealistic. Perhaps a larger nation like Akiiryu would have over a billion.

 

We should still base the map rules on people's population on nationstates. But for RP sake, I propose we create a thread where people can state a more realistic population for their nation. Of course, be sure to be REALISTC, like taking into account of how many plots you have.

 

If this has already been discussed and/or not open for discussion please direct me to the thread where it has been discussed.

[Miiros]

You can cram tons of people in relatively little land. Just build skywards like Miiros. =P

[Damak Var]

Still, I don't want to have to deal with 1.8 billion.

[Vocenae]

It's in the map forum I believe.

 

I think unless a majority of members prefer to have realistic populations, I think you should have to deal with what you have. If you disagree and have a realistic population regardless, then you should cut back on your plot and island claims to be fair to everyone else.

[Damak Var]

Please drop that subject, you know I won't. But I did agree to postpone my third claim.

[Vocenae]

I don't care if you claim them(under the current rules), but the point is if you are going to RP using a realistic population, you should not continue to expand under the rules you are no longer following. It wouldn't be fair to those of us who want to RP using the rule system already set in place.

 

Granted you are sacrificing your expansion, but you are doing it williningly by wanting to convert to a realistic population. You want this, you've got to give up something else.

[Damak Var]

I said keep the map rules the same when claiming plots but when RPing change populations to be more realistic. Two different things.

[Vocenae]

Yes, and the more different things get, the more confusing it will be.

 

If you RP a certain population, then it should BE your population.

[Damak Var]

I don't see why it should be like this but sure.

[Miiros]

I always assumed tying population and post count into the map plots was a way of rewarding long-time and dedicated members with more land with which to RP. In the real world, huge populations can be crammed into tiny countries or tiny populations can be scattered over huge expanses.

 

Damak Var may not want to have urban goliaths with sprawling suburbs consuming his nation and thus would want to RP a lower population. He has still been here just as long and contributed just as much though, so why should he be barred from land?

 

So long as Damak Var RPs that the extra land is not as populated as it would be otherwise, it seems fine to me. I need as much population as possible for the idea of the Free City to seem real. That's how I RP Miiros, but not every nation would want that.

[Vocenae]

God damnit, I'm not saying that BJE should be banned from map plots. And, if you look at his main island and all the land he's claimed, there's no reason why he should be arguing for this. His main plot could be easily comparable to Australia.

[Deltannia]

Vocenae, I agree with you because NationStates blew the numbers way out of proportion, but I'm just asking to please calm down for a second. The argument has been brought up at least once as far as I can remember, if not more, in the past.

 

As to the land thing, I do agree that Damak Var has been expanding a lot over a small period, which is why I respect your decision to postpone that.

[Damak Var]

His main plot could be easily comparable to Australia.

 

I rather look at it as a Japan or British Isles. But Miiros does have a point, that small pops can expand quite a bit. But I agree with you as well, I have been expanding too fast. Which is why I have postponed taking those two not numbered islands.

 

I'm just saying that claiming map plots should be a matter of seniority (NS population, posts). However people should be able to RP a more reasonable population with relation to the background of their country.

 

 

[Vocenae]

Sorry, FACG, but it's been a really, really, really bad month, and I'm tired of these overly blatent things being dragged out when they don't need to be. Frankly, it seems like everyone I've come in contact with has lost all reasoning ability, and it's finally come to a head on several fronts, Internet, IRL, mentally, you get the picture. Only so much stress and ignorance a man can take.

 

You could always just not acknowledge your population, BJE. That's one way to 'shrink' your population. God knows that America is probably pushing 500 million just in illegal immigrants. Then there's unregistered voters, unreported births, inaccurate census readings, there's so many people that the government doesn't acknowledge that it's perfectly normal just to ignore them.

 

You want a smaller population? Just don't acknowledge the lower class citizens and people who don't really influence the government as a whole.

 

I think that, if you don't want to be compared to Australia, then your island would be the size of New Zealand and Japan put together.

[Damak Var]

I have 1.825 billion people, I want a population of 75 million which would be more realistic.

 

Not acknowledging 1.75 billion people will work. Plus, Damak Var does not have that big of a lower class!

 

Anyways, sorry about contributing to your frustrations Vocenae.

[Tagmatium Rules]

Plus, Damak Var does not have that big of a lower class!

Not wanting to be Mr. Pedantic, but it depends on how one classes "lower class".

[Suverina]

I'm a large supporter of splitting evrything by 10. Suverina would then have 224 million inhabitants. Quite fair I think.

[Damak Var]

Still would be too big for me. But what do other people think?

[Deltannia]

I believe it was the division by 10 rule that was brought up in the past.

 

BlackJackEmperor, I'm not sure whether you really have so much of a say in how many people are in your country, these things kind of just happen. You would have to have made some kind of legislation to people people from entering, and then to keep birth rates low I guess.... I don't know, controlling these numbers is fairly difficult.

[Miiros]

I am not in favor of giving up population in Miiros. I have skyscrapers to fill.

[Vocenae]

I'd rather not reduce mine, either.

[Mongol-Swedes]

Natural living and mandatory local militia service does an economy good.

[Deltannia]

I don't really agree with it either, I'm just referencing past discussions.

 

BlackJackEmperor, maybe you can RP some devastating event in your country to lower them.....

[Damak Var]

Meh

 

Well we have 3 options...NS populations, a formula like Suv said, or I say a thread where you declare your population based on the background of your nation but there's the problem with people not being realistic. Looking at what you guys just said, a lot of people just happen to have large populations.

[Adaptus]

To be quite hounist. I dont really care about the size of my population. If i have a major desaster I us a RL total, say 200 thousand. The methot I use is I bae my poulation on a RL poplation. That being the combied populations of Britian, Northern Ireland, and the Republic of Ireland. around 80 - 100 million. ts still a bit larger than a RL nain, however, it still fits in with NS syle play. The NS populaton to me is more of a nation growth rate messure. It just show your nation has grown, and how big it is getting.