Plans for 0.1

[Damak Var]

Damak Var has recently acquired island 0.1. It seems to be a strategic to the LT-Alliance Cold War (if that is even still going on) since in the event of a hot war it help keep Akiiryu confined to the Kosscow, Ranke, Kant, Phil, and Eebay seas. I'd like my fellow members of the LT to consider that. But I doubt there would be a war of that magnitude so there is really no point.

 

My next option (the one I'm leaning towards) would be to make 0.1 a protectorate of Damak Var and give it some level of independence. The island would be neutral territory. It would serve as a supersized trading post and port before shipping goes out further to the east (west too if Tag won't let you use his canal). Also as a place for countries to liaison and conference with each other about different issues. I'd like it to be Europa's Paris or Geneva. Only catch for me is that I cannot set up a naval base or keep any kind of garrison (and neither can you). Just seems like a good business proposition.

 

Though I reserve the right to reclaim 0.1 in character and place the island under complete Varian control whenever I wish without international interference.

 

Any thoughts?

 

EDIT: Or we can turn it into an international prison island!

Edited February 3, 2007 by BlackJackEmperor (see edit history)

[Akiiryu]

To be honest, I am little dodgy about claiming things so far from home...especially without an rp. That said, what is done is done. Just don't expect to hold it too long...*Giggles*

[Damak Var]

Well seems fair to me. I don't plan on claiming any more territories at all, and I could have.

 

EDIT: Anyways, lets just keep thoughts on my idea. If there is rule against claiming territories so far without rp then we bring that up for discussion.

Edited February 3, 2007 by BlackJackEmperor (see edit history)

[Vocenae]

It's a little silly, in my opinion.

 

But if you are going to make such a claim, then you've got to RP it. The Kosscow has too many superpowers calling it home to simply let one of the barrier islands to be taken by a southern nation, regardless of alliances.

[Damak Var]

the claim is silly, or the idea?

 

and if I'm going to RP, I need to know what I'm going to use the island for first with input from you people. As well as the planning the RP. Or if you'd like, I could get to RPing right away without any planning. But as we've seen with the 28 conflict it isn't advisable.

Edited February 3, 2007 by BlackJackEmperor (see edit history)

[Vocenae]

Both, really.

 

After re-reading some of the old discussions about the map and the previous map before it, things like this actually turned out to be more of a problem than their worth. It clutters the map, basically.

 

I'd rather you stick close to your initial plots, but hey, I'm not a mod, so I can't stop you you from doing this. Besides, didn't you say you didn't actually want to expand in the request thread?

[Deltannia]

Yeah, attack 0.1 is highly risky. I'm sure Vocenae, Tagmatium, Adaptus, and myself would not be too happy with your naval forces in the area to take over the island (actually, if for LT, then I don't know, you're probably safer). You might get away with taking 0.33, but I don't know. But, if none of the others, definitely Akiiryu would not be happy with the all sea routes blocked off. And, speaking for myself, Deltannia probably wouldn't be too hapy. You probably wouldn't get through the home fleet of Deltannia if you tried.

 

I'd suggest something closer, or if you want a base, away from more nations, such as (just as an example) 0.9, 0.31, or anything in the Southern Meteorolas.

 

Like Vocenae said, it is up to you, but you'll probably need to fight a number of powers in the area to take it.

[Damak Var]

Alright, well if anybody else thinks the idea for setting up 0.1 as a protectorate and yada yada yada, is silly please say so. I am planning putting it up for international use. If not then I'll build a naval base on it and maybe put a couple of missile silos. Perhaps destroy all the vegetation with airstrike exercises.

 

Regardless, there is no rule against taking a plot so far from your homeland without RPing. Until there is, I am not going to repeal my claims. But will still RP it. I see that Miiros and Tamurin have islands a good distance away from their main territories.

 

I am quite aware of the international consequences of trying to take the island by force and never said that was my intention. I am not planning on blocking off Akiiryu's sea routes (or anybody) because I'm not planning on going to war with Akiiryu. I'm even offering on allowing his shipping (and others) to dock there.

 

And Voc, I do not want to expand my plots more than the two I have in the south. But since I can claim an island, why not?

 

(kidding about the missile silos, DamakVar doesnt have nukes)

Edited February 3, 2007 by BlackJackEmperor (see edit history)

[Damak Var]

Well, I was looking at the map, and I think I'll give up 0.1. But not for the reasons stated above. I suppose Hanemar would want to expand someday and I want to give him the opportunity to get larger land masses. Seems like he doesnt have much of an option in that area. I'll take 0.33 instead.

 

[Deltannia]

Regardless, there is no rule against taking a plot so far from your homeland without RPing. Until there is, I am not going to repeal my claims. But will still RP it. I see that Miiros and Tamurin have islands a good distance away from their main territories.

 

I am quite aware of the international consequences of trying to take the island by force and never said that was my intention. I am not planning on blocking off Akiiryu's sea routes (or anybody) because I'm not planning on going to war with Akiiryu. I'm even offering on allowing his shipping (and others) to dock there.

Well, you might not RP it, but someone else would have if you didn't. A nation has no way to know what another is going to do by putting a naval base so close to their home. I know that others have island bases far away, Deltannia even has its base on Tarragat, but those were RPed and bother less people.

 

I do look forward to the roleplay, though, should be good.

[Suverina]

My new modern navy needs a playground. Race ya for .33?

 

But seriously. I wouldn't mind RP'ing some war over it, testing out my new and modern (yet small) navy. My army is stretched thin and wouldn't be able to do much harm to ya...

[Damak Var]

there isnt going to be a war at all. Like I said, I dont plan on taking it by force. I just need to know whether I get 0.1 or 0.33 first before i start discussing how I am going to do this.

[Cabarria]

I won't make any changes to the map until some kind of consensus is reached about which island Damak Var goes after. Personally it matters little to Cabarria as we're so far removed from that bay.

[Damak Var]

Well I either going to claim 0.33 or 0.1. At this time, I would rather take 0.33. Does anybody have any disagreement to me taking 0.33 instead of 0.1.

 

Either way, I am going to claim one or another.

 

EDIT: So I read Suv you want to take 0.33 or 0.1 by force (dont know if you are joking or not). I guess I should discuss my plan then.

 

0.33 or 0.1 whichever I get, is a country with a republic government but highly underdeveloped. Third world, poverty, unemployment, crime, drugs, bad infrastructure, substandard public education system....

 

The government enlists the help of the Varian Government and Varian Companies to help develop the island. Meaning the legitimate government will allow us to help them, not a forceful act. We help build roads, schools, hospitals, and allocate some funding to the nations inadequate police force etc.

 

I will station my navy around the island for the soul purpose of stopping the traffic of drugs in and out of the island. Also to protect the shipping from Damak Var to the island.

 

The companies and a government sanctioned developement agency will enlist the help of Varian PMC's (Private Military Companies) to guard (and only guard) their facilities and personnel. The official Varian Armed Forces will not keep any kind of garrison on the island during the developement in order to insure that I am not being aggressive. The island's national government assures they will be able to maintain law and order with proper funding (which I will give them).

 

In exchange, the Varian Companies that assisted in the developement will be allowed to move a good amount of their manufacturing to the island. The factories they build will be able to provide the inhabitants with jobs. However they will be paid less than what the minimum wage is in Damak Var. (But still would be better off then they were).

 

The island will serve as port (refuel/resupply) for all nations if you need it (but you have to pay for docking services of course!). Civilian vessels only, no military ships will be allowed to dock. Illegal drugs and firearms will have to stay on the ships, if they bring any.

 

Once a good amount of developement is done (perhaps a year or two), the island's government will sign a treaty with the Varian Government making them an official protectorate of Damak Var. A small portion of the island will be allocated for a Varian Naval Base which would be under the direct jurisdiction of the Varian government (they govern the rest of the island). Military personnel will only leave the base when off duty and it would be only for "R and R".

 

Now Suv, I do not want a war. If you attack the island and try to take it over like you said you wanted to in the requests forum (don't know if you were kidding or not), it would be an act of war against Damak Var. Well, that would put us in a odd situation, since we are in the same alliance.

 

VII. A member shall not work against the interests of an other member.

 

That is in the Nine Points Chapter, Conduct of Behavior for the Members of the LT. Actions like that would be a violation of that code, while I am working towards a better Europa which is something the LT advocates strongly I believe. With that, I am sure I can rally the support of the other members with me and against you.

 

For the nations not in the LT:

 

If you begin hostilties the other members of the LT would be obligated to come to my aid, as I would for them. I am only stating this because I have no wish for any sort of armed conflict with any other nation (non made-up nations) of Europa at this time.

Edited February 4, 2007 by BlackJackEmperor (see edit history)

[Deltannia]

If you try to take 0.33, I guess that instead of war, Deltannia would at least try to diplomatic work out some various points of how you would use your port and I guess restrictions or agreements toward naval travel in the area.

[Suverina]

Now Suv, I do not want a war. If you attack the island and try to take it over like you said you wanted to in the requests forum (don't know if you were kidding or not), it would be an act of war against Damak Var. Well, that would put us in a odd situation, since we are in the same alliance.

 

VII. A member shall not work against the interests of an other member.

 

That is in the Nine Points Chapter, Conduct of Behavior for the Members of the LT. Actions like that would be a violation of that code, while I am working towards a better Europa which is something the LT advocates strongly I believe. With that, I am sure I can rally the support of the other members with me and against you.

Apparently I've already broken it. So why don't break it again?

 

I would probably more like attack your navies in the area and not take the island itself...

Of course there must be a bad reason involved: I must protect the islands inhabitants from Damak Var's Imperialism!

 

[Damak Var]

Apparently I've already broken it. So why don't break it again?

 

It could get you kicked out of the alliance. Repercussions from the international community for attacking a nation that is trying to develop another nation. They are a bit sensitive towards waging warfare without proper cause. You could be looking at a war with the rest of the LT if they acknowledge our alliance and Conduct of Behavior. I also need to know from the LT members whether they will do that or not. I need to know if you are sure about attacking my ships in this RP.

 

Deltannia, you and anybody else is welcome to exercise diplomacy.

[Damak Var]

alright, I am going to start Stage 1 of the RP soon. This will involve conferences and ratifying of agreements between The Federation Damak Var and "The Kingdom of Rutanika". Once agreements between Damak Var and Rutanika have been formed, I will hold a conference inviting anybody to discuss and dispute the situation before the agreements are ratified. We will have to discuss the circumstances of which my navy will try and stop the drug and firearms trafficking to and from the island and other good stuff. Deltannia, that would be a good time to voice your dispute.

 

Suv, I am still wondering on whether you are sure on attacking or not. So, does anybody have anything else to say before I begin?

 

EDIT: I will start making posts just between myself and Rutanika, I don't expect anybody else to be taking part until I hold a conference.

Edited February 6, 2007 by BlackJackEmperor (see edit history)

[Miiros]

Hmm, some private Miirosi companies might be willing to help the Varians with this, although I'm not sure what degree of cooperation can be expected from rival firms. Miiros business would want more power in that region and be willing to lend a hand. Also, the Miiriso government would be intent on protecting both parties during this peaceful operation. Perhaps your private sector would be willing to let them in should any troubles arise, but if things go smoothly I'll chillax in the east. It all depends on how the RP unfolds really.

[Damak Var]

my plan is to divide up the island into a couple sectors, a large Varian Corporation will be charged with the developement of each sector, and that is where they can establish their factories after.

 

Miirosi companies would be taking contracts from those private companies, especially in the field of construction. Along with some smaller Varian companies. Also the VFDA will be needing to hire teachers and doctors for the hospitals.

 

Though may I ask what you'd be trying to get out of this first?

[Miiros]

Miiros sees the potential to have a reliable and very friendly trading power in the west. Corporate interests are always looking to expand out there and there has been some animosity between the east and west in the past. It's basically an investment in what they hope to be a good market for their goods and will introduce more Miirosi culture to the other side of Europa.

 

Also Miiros and Damak Var are both capitalist powers and Miiros is concerned about the expansion of socialism in the region. Helping the Varians here would help to ensure another capitalist-friendly society.

[Damak Var]

Well ill let you use the port, set up some establishments on the island (anything else you request?). But the labor force of Rutanika is reserved for Varian corporations. You do have a good point about us capitalist needing to stick together.

Edited February 8, 2007 by BlackJackEmperor (see edit history)

[Damak Var]

I holding the conference regarding the island, if nobody is going to attend then I will assume there is no dispute.

[Damak Var]

Tag, I need use of the canal. I asked permission IC already. Be sure to get back to me on that.

 

From what you guys said in political growth thread... Ok, proposing an alliance to try and force Damak Var out. I would like to remind you guys that the island will be of service to all nations. A port for your ships to resupply and all. It is totally business, we need the labor force. Yes, there is going to be a naval base. But we need to protect our assets, thats it. I can't leave my protectorate undefended.

 

Akiiryu- Fine, you don't plan on sending delegates to voice your dispute. But you haven't said anything IC either. But honestly if you have a dispute but don't come to the conference, it will be like people who complain about the government but don't vote.

 

[Tagmatium Rules]

Tag, I need use of the canal. I asked permission IC already. Be sure to get back to me on that.

Sorry, man, I wasn't able to use the internet all of yesterday, as something was wrong with my hall of residence's internet connection.