Mongol-Swedes Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 MS NOTE: This is the transcript of a speech given recently by the mayor of Salt Lake City, Utah. This was a fricken awesome speech, and further boldens my opinion that Suverina doesn't know Americans well enough to judge them. I also recommend grabbing a couple of Anti Flag records while you're at it. Â Washington Square Salt Lake City, Utah August 30, 2006 Â A patriot is a person who loves his or her country. Who among you loves your country so much that you have come here today to raise your voice out of deep concern for our nation - and for our world? And who among you loves your country so much that you insist that our nation's leaders tell us the truth? Let's hear it: "Give us the truth! Give us the truth! Give us the truth!" Let no one deny we are patriots. We love our country, we hold dear the values upon which our nation was founded, and we are distressed at what our President, his administration, and our Congress are doing to, and in the name of, our great nation. Blind faith in bad leaders is not patriotism. A patriot does not tell people who are intensely concerned about their country to just sit down and be quiet; to refrain from speaking out in the name of politeness or for the sake of being a good host; to show slavish, blind obedience and deference to a dishonest, war-mongering, human-rights-violating president. That is not a patriot. Rather, that person is a sycophant. That person is a member of a frightening culture of obedience - a culture where falling in line with authority is more important than choosing what is right, even if it is not easy, safe, or popular. And, I suspect, that person is afraid - afraid we are right, afraid of the truth (even to the point of denying it), afraid he or she has put in with an oppressive, inhumane, regime that does not respect the laws and traditions of our country, and that history will rank as the worst presidency our nation has ever had to endure. In response to those who believe we should blindly support this disastrous president, his administration, and the complacent, complicit Congress, listen to the words of Theodore Roosevelt, a great president and a Republican, who said: The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else. We are here today as truth-tellers. And we are here to demand: "Give us the truth! Give us the truth! Give us the truth!" We are here today to insist that those who were elected to be our leaders must tell us the truth. We are here today to insist that our news media live up to its sacred responsibility to ascertain and report the truth - rather than acting like nothing more than a bulletin board for the lies and propaganda of a manipulative, dishonest federal government. We have been getting just about everything but the truth on matters of life and death . . . on matters upon which our nation's reputation hinges . . . on matters that directly relate to our nation's fundamental values . . . and on matters relating to the survival of our planet. In the process, our nation has engaged in an unnecessary war, based upon false justifications. More than a hundred thousand people have been killed - and many more have been seriously maimed, brain damaged, or rendered mentally ill. Our nation's reputation throughout much of the world has been destroyed. We have many more enemies bent on our destruction than before our invasion of Iraq. And the hatred toward us has grown to the point that it will take many years, perhaps generations, to overcome the loathing created by our invasion and occupation of a Muslim country. What incredible ineptitude and callousness for our President to talk about a Crusade while lying to us to make a case for the invasion and occupation of a Muslim country! Our children and later generations will pay the price of the lies, the violence, the cruelty, the incompetence, and the inhumanity of the Bush administration and the lackey Congress that has so cowardly abrogated its responsibility and authority under our checks-and-balances system of government. We are here to say, "We will not stand for it any more. No more lies. No more pre-emptive, illegal war, based on false information. No more God-is-on-our-side religious nonsense to justify this immoral, illegal war. No more inhumanity." Let's raise our voices, and demand, "Give us the truth! Give us the truth! Give us the truth!" Let's consider some of the most monstrous lies - lies that have led us, like a nation of sheep, to this tragic war. Following September 11, 2001, the world knew that Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda were responsible for the horrific attacks on our country. Our long-time allies were sympathetic and supportive. But our president transformed that support into international disdain for the United States, choosing to illegally invade and occupy Iraq, rather than focus on and capture the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks. Why invade and occupy Iraq? Vice President Dick Cheney and Condoleezza Rice represented to us, without qualification, that there were strong ties between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. In September, 2002, President Bush made the incredible claim that "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam." President Bush represented to Congress, without any factual basis whatsoever, that Iraq planned, authorized, committed, or aided the 9/11 attacks. Our President and Vice-President, along with an unquestioning news media, repeatedly led our nation to believe that there was a working relationship between al Qaeda and the Iraqi government, a relationship that threatened the US. Even last week, when I met with Thomas Bock, National Commander of the American Legion, I asked him why we are engaged in the war in Iraq. He said, "Why, of course, because of the 9/11 attacks on our country." I asked, "What did Iraq have to do with those attacks?" He looked puzzled, then said, "Well, the connection between al Qaeda and Iraq." I was shocked. Here is a man who has criticized us for opposing the war in Iraq - and he is completely wrong about the underlying facts used to justify this war. Not only has there never been any evidence of any involvement by Saddam Hussein or Iraq with the attacks on 9/11, but there has never been any evidence of any operational connection whatsoever between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. Colin Powell finally conceded there is no "concrete evidence about the connection." "The chairman of the monitoring group appointed by the United Nations Security Council to track al Qaeda" disclosed that "his team had found no evidence linking al Qaeda to Saddam Hussein." And the top investigator for our European allies has said, 'If there were such links, we would have found them. But we have found no serious connections whatsoever.'" President Bush himself finally admitted nine days ago during a press conference that there was no connection between the attacks on 9/11 and Iraq. It's terrific that the President has now admitted what others have known for so long - but where is the accountability for the tragic war we were led into on the basis of his earlier misrepresentations? Besides the fictions of Saddam Hussein somehow being linked to the 9/11 attacks and his supposed connection with al Qaeda, what was the principal justification for forgoing additional weapons inspections, failing to work with our allies toward a solution, refraining from seeking additional resolutions from the United Nations, and hurrying to war - a so-called "pre-emptive" war - in which we would attack and occupy a Muslim nation that posed no security risk to the United States, and cause the deaths of many thousands of innocent men, women, and children - and the deaths and lifetime injuries to many thousands of our own servicemen and servicewomen? The principal claim was that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction - biological and chemical weapons - and was seeking to build up a nuclear weapons capability. As we now know, there was nothing - no evidence whatsoever - to support those claims. President Bush represented to us - and to people around the world - that one of the reasons we needed to make war in Iraq - and to do it right away - was because Saddam Hussein was seeking to build nuclear weapons. His assertions about Saddam Hussein trying to purchase nuclear materials from an African nation and about Iraq seeking to obtain aluminum tubes for the enrichment of uranium were challenged at the time by our own intelligence agency and scientists, yet he didn't tell us that! Ten days before the invasion of Iraq, it was proven that the documents upon which President Bush's claim about Saddam Hussein trying to obtain uranium was based were forgeries. However, President Bush did not disclose that to the American people. By that failure, he betrayed each of us, he betrayed our country, and he betrayed the cause of world peace. Neither did the vast majority of the news media disclose the forgeries - until it was far too late. It took our local newspapers here in Salt Lake City four months - until after President Bush declared that major combat in Iraq was over - to report the discovery that the documents were forgeries - and, therefore, that there was no basis for the false claims about Saddam Hussein trying to build up a nuclear capability. By its failure to promptly disclose the forgeries, the news media betrayed us as well. Had the American people known we were being lied to - had President Bush informed us that the documents were forged and that he had no other basis for his claim - had our nation's media done its job, rather than slavishly repeating to us the lies being fed to it by the Bush administration - our nation may well not have allowed the commencement of this outrageous, illegal, unjustified war. To President Bush, to his administration, to our go-along Congress, and to our news media, we are here today, demanding, "Give us the truth! Give us the truth! Give us the truth!" Then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said that high-strength aluminum tubes acquired by Iraq were "only really suited for nuclear weapons programs," warning "we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." Undisclosed by President Bush or Condoleezza Rice was the fact that top nuclear scientists had informed the Administration that the tubes were "too narrow, too heavy, too long" to be useful in developing nuclear weapons and could be used for other purposes. Dr. Mohamed El Baradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, agreed. So much for the phony claims of Saddam Hussein building nuclear weapons - the primary claims justifying the rush to war. What were we told about chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction? These claims were as baseless and fraudulent as the claims about nuclear weapons. President Bush told us in his January 2003 State of the Union address that Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent. Then, in May of 2003, he made the outlandish statement that, "We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories." Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld told us, "We know where the [WMDs] are." Vice President Cheney and then-Secretary of State Powell also joined in the chorus of lies and misinformation about weapons of mass destruction. Of course, no stockpiles of biological or chemical weapons were found. Bush Administration Weapons Inspector David Kay noted that Iraq did not have an ongoing chemical weapons program after 1991-a conclusion remarkably similar to statements made by Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice before the 9/11 attacks - and before they sacrificed the truth in the service of promoting the Bush administration's case for war against Iraq. On February 24, 2001, less than 7 months before 9/11, Colin Powell said that Saddam Hussein "has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors," said Colin Powell. And in July 2001, two months before 9/11, Condoleezza Rice said: "We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt." It is astounding how they changed their claims after the President decided to make a case for the invasion and occupation of Iraq! To think that we could be lied to by so many members of the Bush administration with such impunity is frightening - chilling. Yet these imperious, arrogant, dishonest people think we should just fall in line with them and continue to take them at their word. The truth has been established. Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks on the United States. There is no evidence of any operational ties between Iraq and al Qaeda. And there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. What a tragedy, leading to greater tragedy. We are fed lie after lie, our media reinforces those lies, and we are a nation led to a tragic, illegal, unprovoked war. We are here because of our values. We love our country. We cherish the freedoms and liberties of our country. We don't call those who speak out against our nation's leaders unpatriotic or un-American or appeasers of fascists. We have good, wholesome family values. In our families, we teach honesty, we teach kindness and compassion toward others, we teach that violence, if ever justified, must be an absolutely last resort. In our families, we teach that our nation's constitutional values are to be upheld, and that they are worth standing up and fighting for. Our family values promote respect and equal rights toward everyone, regardless of race, ethnic origin, and sexual orientation. In our families, we teach the value of hard work and competence - and we are left to wonder about a President who, after receiving an intelligence memo about the threat posed by al Qaeda, decides to continue his month-long vacation - just before the 9/11 attacks on our country. As we demand the truth from others, let us also face the truth. Our government all too often has not cared about the human rights of people in other nations - and it doesn't really care about democracy, unless it leads to the election of those who will do our bidding. Consider the irony regarding the claims that Saddam had chemical weapons and, because of that, we needed to rush to war in Iraq. When Saddam Hussein was using chemical weapons - first against Iranians, then against his own people, the Kurds - our country provided him with biological and chemical agents and equipment to make the weapons. Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush refused even to support economic sanctions against Hussein for his use of weapons of mass destruction. What did our nation do in response to Hussein's use of chemical weapons, killing tens of thousand of people, when he actually had them? We befriended, coddled, and rewarded him - with government-guaranteed loans totaling $5 billion since 1983, freeing up currency for Hussein to modernize his military assets. Perhaps those in the US government who aided and abetted Saddam Hussein to further US business interests, while he was gassing the Kurds, should be sharing his courtroom dock as he is being tried now for crimes against humanity. No more lies, no more hiding of the truth, no more wars that more than triple the value of stock in Dick Cheney's prior employer, Halliburton - and which, as of last September, has increased the value of the Halliburton CEO's stock by $78 million. We are patriots. We're deeply concerned. And we demand change, now. No more lies from Condoleezza Rice about whether she and President Bush were advised before 9/11 of the possibility of planes being flown into buildings by terrorists. No more gross incompetence in the office of the Secretary of Defense. No more torture of human beings. No more disregard of the basic human rights enshrined in the Geneva Convention. No more kidnapping of people and sending them off to secret prisons in nations where we can expect they will be tortured. No more unconstitutional wiretapping of Americans. No more proposed amendments to the United States Constitution that would, for the first time, limit fundamental rights and liberties for entire classes of people simply on the basis of sexual orientation. No more federal land giveaways to developers. No more increases in mercury emissions from old, dirty, dangerous coalburning power plants. No more backroom deals that deprive protection for millions of acres of wild lands. No more attacks on immigrants who work so hard to build better lives. No more inaction by Congress on fixing our hypocritical and inconsistent immigration laws and policies. No more reliance on fiction rather than the science of global warming. No more manipulation of our media with false propaganda. No more disastrous cuts in funding for those most in need. No more federal cuts in community policing and local law enforcement grant programs for our cities. No more inaction on stopping the genocide in the Darfur region of Sudan. No more of the Patriot Act. No more killing. No more pre-emptive wars. No more contempt for our long-time allies around the world. No more dependence on foreign oil. No more failure to impose increased fuel efficiency standards for automobiles. No more energy policies developed in secret meetings between Dick Cheney and his energy company cronies. No more excuses for failing to aggressively cut global warming pollutant emissions. No more tragically incompetent federal responses to natural disasters. No more tax cuts for the wealthiest, while the middle class and those who are economically-disadvantaged continue to struggle more and more each year. No more reckless spending and massive tax cuts, resulting in historic deficits and historic accumulated national debt. No more purchasing of elections by the wealthiest corporations and individuals in the country. No more phony, ineffective, inhumane so-called war on drugs. No more failure to pass an increase in the minimum wage. No more silence by the American people. This is a new day. We will not be silent. We will continue to raise our voices. We will bring others with us. We will grow and grow, regardless of political party - unified in our insistence upon the truth, upon peace-making, upon more humane treatment of our brothers and sisters around the world. We will be ever cognizant of our moral responsibility to speak up in the face of wrongdoing, and to work as we can for a better, safer, more just community, nation, and world. So we won't let down. We won't be quiet. We will continue to resist the lies, the deception, the outrages of the Bush administration. We will insist that peace be pursued, and that, as a nation, we help those in need. We must break the cycle of hatred, of intolerance, of exploitation. We must pursue peace as vigorously as the Bush administration has pursued war. It's up to all of us to do our part. Thank you everyone for lending your voices to this call for compassion, for peace, for greater humanity. Let us keep in mind the injunction of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.: "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." Link to comment
Emakera Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Hmmmmmmmmmm Pretty interesting, but what is the patriot act? Link to comment
Mongol-Swedes Posted September 2, 2006 Author Share Posted September 2, 2006 The PATRIOT Act was a piece of legislation that was written before September 11th, 2001 (How else could they have passed it in such a short amount of time, merely a few days after the attacks?) which appears to be an effective means of countering terrorism. However, it is infact a SYSTEMATIC EROSION OF CIVIL RIGHTS. An alternative source of information concerning the Act can be found by clicking here. Â The PATRIOT Act itself, in its entirety, can be found here. Understand that this is a government-sanctioned source, therefore CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THE ACT'S PROVISIONS MAY HAVE BEEN REMOVED FOR POLITICAL SECURITY. Â But if you want my opinion on it, it's been the precursor to the downfall of America The Free. Link to comment
Suverina Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Interesting indeed, but that pike against me was a little missplaced as you gave me the opporunity to easily use it against you... Â Good speech. BUT, haven't SO MANY americans demanded 'the truth' from their leaders before??? The mayor points out all bad things made by bush and his administration. This knowledge is open to many americans, STILL they support bush and the war in Iraq. The US people elected George Bush 2 times in a row. WHY chosing such a man 2 times? Why wouldn't the US people understand better? Why won't they? Â The US people is a large and strong people, someday something great will arise from there. Although, it looks dark right now. Link to comment
Tamurin Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Let's wait and see who they will vote for next time, shall we? Link to comment
Emakera Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 *reading the Patriot Act* So, it's all about tapping and spying-- FOR FREEDOM. It would be even slightly acceptable if not for the name and all the fascism in between... IF YOU LIKE YOUR COUNTRY, YOU HAVE TO AGREE! Â Reminds me of the military coup of 1964. "Brazil, love it or leave it"... and all via eye-piercing, nail tucking, baths of freezing water and then hot water, and flags everywhere. Link to comment
Suverina Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Let's wait and see who they will vote for next time, shall we? Well they can't vote bush! Wohoo! I want to see as socialist president. Link to comment
Tagmatium Rules Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 I want to see a socialist president. That's not very likely in America. Â I swear the world's going to hell. There's a similar situation in Britain as to the US, where civil liberties are being removed to preserve our freedom. It begs the question, how much freedom will we have when we have "won"? Â I also wonder to what extent are the terrorists actually real. When a plot is foiled, the government only releases the bare minimum of facts, just enough for people to become paranoid and watch everyone of an Arab or Muslim look with suspicion. On a recent flight bound for Manchester two Arab (I think they were, I may be wrong on that count) were ordered off when the other passengers mutinied over the fact they were talking in foreign gibberish and wearing big coats. It's a sad day when that happens, it really doesn't make me proud to be British. It's probably a worse incident than the shooting of de Menezes last year, although that was an incredibly sorry affair as well, mainly because of the huge list of bare-faced lies the Metropolitan Police Force spewed forth. Link to comment
Tamurin Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Well, I agree that you cannot, may not, must not punish all arabs and/or muslims for this. Â But I can understand why people are so paranoid. If you make one mistake, it may be your last. Â The best thing we can do is keep being cautiously and restrain ourselves from grabbing too much power and too much control. This is the western world, the free world. If it stops being free, the terrorists have won. Link to comment
Suverina Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Media has too much control of our lives, and people are so stupid that they let media control them. Link to comment
Vocenae Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Personally, I think the U.S. hasn't had a decent president since Franklin Roosevelt. Those were the days where our government worked to better the lives of its people who were coming out of the Great Depression with innovative programs that helped reebuild our economic system. Â And even later, as WW2 broke out, the United States stood as neutral as it could, only to protect its citizens, and was only forced into war by Pearl Harbor. Â Today America is only a shadow of its former glory. We have a corrupt congress, a horrible president, and a almost inactive Supreme court who let the other two government bodies operate with almost impunity. Â Seperation of powers indeed. Â The media is little more than another puppet, the news these days is stuffed with human interest stories and the occasional government criticism segment. It's not in our various organizations or the government that we can expect change, its from the American people. Â But can we change? Most people, even though we disagree with our government, are content. If people are content, they see no reason to change, and thus is why nothing has truly been done to stop Bush and his lackeys in congrees and the supreme court. Â And even then, if something is done, nothing will truly change. If world is to become a better place, people have to learn to trust each other, trust is vital in a peaceful world. Â But that will never happen. Â The United States is no loner trustworthy in the eyes of billions, and most of the American people can no longer be trusted upon, nor do they trust anyone that does not share their views or beliefs. Â Link to comment
Mongol-Swedes Posted September 2, 2006 Author Share Posted September 2, 2006 Franklin Roosevelt was an imperialist expansionist himself, to be frank...infact since its very conception American politics have always been about creating an elite to curtail the masses. Madison himself said to 'fear the masses'. Â And here's a little shearing irony; There was plenty of intelligence to indicate the Japanese were going to attack our Hawaiian interests (which we took by invading a sovereign land and ousting their queen), but the leadership at the time chose to ignore it, and I have every reason to believe they did so to allow the Japanese to attack us, to provoke the populace into a war frenzy. Japanese expansion in East Asia was threatening the prospect of American expansion into the Pacific (which was already considerable at the time). Â In conclusion: This country has been sick for a very long time, and it was times like the 1960's where true liberty shined, and the true nature of 'representative democracy' showed itself with the crackdowns, and the college campus shootings by National Guard units...it's a shame that bastards like Charles Manson had to ruin it. And to think he was imprisoned with the right to parole...an ongoing sickness that needs to be broken. Â And the funny thing about this is that it's virtually universal throughout our world. People like Marx and such saw it, and tried to make a difference, but people like, say, Stalin, or even Lenin, ruined the efforts by attaching the same bloodshed to this aspiration for freedom as we attach to pluotocracy, authoritarianism, etc. And to think that one's nation is different from all of the others is to curtail to the very nationalist warping that those black-suiters who hold sway over your land desire of you. And to be honest, I find national borders to be an amusing, if childish, annoyance. Link to comment
Tagmatium Rules Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 A very impressive statement, MS. Â Although I don't see how an annoyance can be amusing Link to comment
Mongol-Swedes Posted September 2, 2006 Author Share Posted September 2, 2006 Here's how it amuses me: Because I find it hilarious how people can be so passionate about an imaginary line on the ground...why even have them in the first place? Â And Vocenae...of course I don't trust anyone who doesn't share my beliefs...I believe people should be free to have any belief they want (apart from those murderers like Adolf Eichmann, Charles Manson, the Spanish Inquisition, Lenin, Suleiman, etc). I don't trust people who would have it to where nobody could believe what they want without having to live in fear of being repressed (unless you're a mass-murderer). Link to comment
Suverina Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 I actually belive the sometimes a non-oppressive authorian government can be good for a country. :/ Link to comment
Mongol-Swedes Posted September 2, 2006 Author Share Posted September 2, 2006 If you're trying to say what I think you're trying to say, you and I need some straight talk, 'cause I sure as hell can't fricken stand beating around the bush. Â Moving on, fear-mongering is the trend of the 21st century. We're in another era of rapid, dynamic change. New technology is connecting the world on a very intimate level; I can interact with all y'all without having to spend a few thousand to hop on the highway and ride out and see all y'all (granted Internet bills don't come cheap, either, but it's definetly a thriftier route than international traveller...that and I still have a service obligation). Link to comment
Suverina Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 If you're trying to say what I think you're trying to say, you and I need some straight talk, 'cause I sure as hell can't fricken stand beating around the bush. Erhm, I wasn't even thinking of the US, if that's what you thought I meant. Link to comment
Niederoestereich Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 Well, of course now you have to "destroy political freedoms in order to save them", similar thinking of "Burning the villiage to save it", such as in Vietnam Link to comment
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