What to do with Ravenhelm

[Orioni]

Idea for a short but exciting RP in the northwest.

 

The setting of this story:

Ravenhelm is a small nation, ruled by terrorists who pirate the Eebay.

Tagmatium is a large nation that just finished a channel.

 

Ravenhelm smells an opportunity and tries to gain control of the channel, Panama style.

Nobody in the northwest is happy with this.

Ravenhelm gets kicked out of the channel area first.

Next, the terrorists in Ravenhelm are destroyed.

Peace returns to the nation, they return to inward politics, and are removed from the map.

 

The end.

 

Players needed:

Ravenhelm (I'll hack his account, it's a piece of cake)

Tagmatium

Suverina

The Aristocratic Confederation

Akiiryu

Any other NW nation who wants some target practive.

 

Will it happen:

Vote above.

[Suverina]

Why am I put on the same lin as the aristocracy? I want my own line!!!!

 

 

[Akiiryu]

Well, I am not sure. Akiiryu sure as hell isn't going to allow other nations militaries so damn close to it borders. Moreover, it could steam roll Ravenhelm quite easily. That said, if the otherwant to throw Ravenhelm out of the canal area they are welcome to. Just don't expect Akiiryu to allo you to get close to its borders.

 

More boardly, i wonder if it is just better to remove Ravenhelm from the map and more on. Like we have before with "trouble" players who have been banned.

[Social Democratic Confederation]

What's this? An invitiation to thrash some terrorists about? I'm all in! Question: How well developed is the Ravenhelm military?

[Orioni]

It would be fairly easy to simply remove his nation. Just three clicks in Photoshops and it's as if he never existed.

 

I thought it could be a nice idea to get some activity in the nortwest. This RP doesn't have to take long. You could even have some (initial) mercy on the poor people of Ravenhelm. They're quite convincing, you know.

 

 

@ Akiiryu: Yes you could. But that would kill all the non-terrorists as well. How about: they pirate boats in the Eebay and get shot/bombed by your navy from time to time. Then they attack the channel with a fleet of their small boats. That means most terrorists are in the channel area, so you'd have to get there to attack them. When defeated, they return to the main nation, where they receive the final blow. (Somehow this reminds me of one of those medieval stories..)

 

@ The Aristocratic Confederation: Imagine BananaRepublic meets Taliban and you'd have a pretty good idea. No real HQ, moving around all the time. Some local support, but mostly ignored. They have more then enough money though.

[Social Democratic Confederation]

This will be a piece a' cake! Lessee, After the battle is won, could I get a naval base on his coast, or control of a port?

[Suverina]

Aki, Think of it like Korea and your China, the other people attack ravenhelm and marches inwards and you get mad because of people closing in on you and you attack Ravenhelm...

[Deltannia]

Ha ha, great idea. I am a northwest nation (I am the northwest nation ) I always enjoy target practice.

 

Oh, what a difficult choice. I was going to RP this piece of mine getting caught, but I might incorporate it here then. If we go ahead with this, then I will introduce this into part of this. Don't worry, what it is may sound at first like I've done some research too fast, creating something too powerful, but it is hardly that. It'll be a test run. Just wait and see.

 

Suverina's idea actually makes sense. The sooner Ravenhelm would be gone, the faster peopel would be away from you, Akiiryu.

[Suverina]

And voila we have a korea situation.

 

There is South-West Ravenhelm. LT-controlled was mostly occupied by me and Tag. Used by the LT to have a firmer grip on the alliance.

And there is Nort-East Ravenhelm. alliance-controlled was occupied by Aki, he uses it as a nice buffert zone.

 

 

And there is the small blue zone. deltannian controlled, they occupied it and kept it. although in the peace negotiation they didn't got it but refused to move. and there still there.

 

So this was one nice possible scenario.

Edited July 25, 2006 by Suverina (see edit history)

[Akiiryu]

I am very much against this RP, although below I do provide one possible way i could see it working. The following comments are best on the IC nature of Akiiryu, those who have seen me RP Akiiryu will know I am speaking truthfully and not simply looking for excuses:

 

1) As I said. With Akiiryu it will be all or nothing. There is no way in sweet hell Akiiryu is going to agree to allow LT members into Ravenhelm, for the exact reason Suv has said. Christ! Akiiryu already has Adpt to the north, it is not about to have its southern border also fulled by LT members. Any attempt by LT members to land would lead to a regional war as Akiiryu would call on it allies for assistance, leading the the LT members to do the same thing. "Neutral" countries attempting to land, such as Aristo and Delt, would be meet with a similar reaction. I REALLY don't want to rp a regional war at the moment.

Akiiryu, is usually one of the most, if not the most, careful of the military powers in the region...war is something it considers the final option - despite its massive potential for flattening most countries in the region without raising much of a sweat. The fact I stress that Akiiryu would pour all of its might into stopping other nations from landing should indicate how important this issue is to Akiiryu. Simply put, Akiiryu can deal with Ravenhelm alone and as such it would not need or want otherside interference. Basically, Akiiryu considers Ravenhelm in its sphere of influence and won't let anyone else near the damned place.

 

2) You might also note the Akiiryu already has a large military force on Ravenhelm's border (check the news threads)...by the time other nations could get troops to Ravenhelm it would be all over and they would be forced to make an opposed landing.

 

3)The only way I can see this rp working, and not distintergrating into a regional war, would be if the other players' nations were hands off in a military sense. Run your politics, your news casts, your hang ringing liberals and such, but don't get militarily involved. If you're looking for guidance take a look at some of Tag's rps with his news crews, they're great and add wonderful colour. Indeed an rp like this would probably be better than our usual "bomb fests" as it would make it far more interesting. It would also make a nice change from the region of Europa constantly sitting on the brink of regional war because every one only wants to rp their "bigger and better" militaries. Why not try and develop some other rp skills?

[Adaptus]

I'm in for this. I can use it to add to the demies of my prime minister. We're strongly allied to tagmatium, so an attack on their cannal would be seen as an attack on the north-west of Europa, by deneing access to the south.

 

My PM, could get into some sort of political doplomacy thing, to get most of the bigger, un-allied nations in the region to work together on this. However, it fails for her, and shes hated by the populance even more.

 

But I must say, it would be hard not to alow this to be a non-military RP due to the fact terrorists dont like to co-oporate. What we could do is thow in some hostage situations, and keep the military stuff down to just, air forces, and special forces. to keep it at a low. How about that?

[Akiiryu]

Come on guys! Can't we do one rp without is descending into another bomb fest/regional standoff? I repeat once more that Akiiryu is not going to allow other nations to get involved in this, unless prehaps they are special forces units working under the control/in cooperation with the Akiiryan military. Defeating the terrorists around the Canal would be fine, landing in Ravenhelm would not. Once more, remember the Akiiryan Army is going to be well into Ravenhelm before most of your nations can even react, while its navy and airforce, operating close to home, have a distinct advantage when attempting to stop landings. I don't want to rp a regional war/ a close call here. Let's expand our rp and mental borders a little eh?

 

As to your question Adpt, have TV crews, NGOs, and Missionaries in Ravenehelm. Have your talk shows/politicos condemn or support Akiiryu in its "liberation" of the country. Have hostages taken and Akiiryu rescue them (puts pressure on Akiiryu to do the right thing the right way). or your government's pay the terrorists off.

[Italgria]

So Aki let me see.

 

If you expand to a region and an already existing nation wants to have their second, third our fourth plot next to yours you would declare war on them because its a LT member? Personally withouth attacking you, what may cause a regional war is actually your attitude to neighbouring nations.

[Adaptus]

Ok aki. I'm not attacking you here, but. Have you not though about nations kicking up a fuss about you entering Ravenhelm, and reacting in the same way you will if an LT nations tried to liberate it?

 

Have you not thought og Alliance and LT coporation as well? Regional war can be turned on it's head. For instance, why does the LT and Alliance hate eachother? Adaptus for one, looks at all Alliance members and nutral as a nations which is not in any alliance. Adaptus has no grudge with Akiiryu. True the same can not be said with other nations, but if one LT natian can cooporate then, whats say others will not, for the betterment of a dissressed nations? It could be a turning point.

 

But back to the RP, and how it's played out. I say, terrorists take over Tagmatiums cannal. Where if you want a war or military RP, your stuff can take place there. With the remainder of Ravenhelm. I could say, a multi-national diplomatic effort could be under taken. Lead by say me PM, in her attempt to unite the alliances. However it fails, and if it's ok, I would like to have terrorists within Revenhelm take several Adapton envoys hostage, which results in a failed rescue oporation, with most hostages killed. But at the same time as the diplomatic attempt starts to fail, someone gets frustrated, and invades ravenhelm, in an attempt to liberate it.

 

How about that?

[Suverina]

Aki, you just can't claim territories that aren't your as yours. If Ravenhelm is an independent state you can't stop me from invading them if I am at war with them. You act like you were the ruler of entire N/W Europa. - I do belive that you don't see yourself as ruler of the entire N/W Europe though..

 

Ravenhelm was NEVER been a a puppet of akiiryu so you don't act like you own it. This scenario is based on that ravenhelm is an independent nation.

[Akiiryu]

I know both of you are not attacking me, but I thank you both for the sentiment of stating you were not.

 

 

1. Ig. No, that would be a new nation's choice (or an existing nation's choice if it was an expansion move - although, realistically an expansion there would, in my mind seem rather unrealistic). However, in this case it is not regarding a new nation, it is regarding the militaries of a number of nations ending up Akiiryu's doorstep, a number of which Akiiryu does not trust. I also suggest you look at Suv's post and his reasons for invading Ravenhelm and Aristo's talking of land grabs. Akiiryu doesn't trust either of these nations. Moreover, read my reasoning as to why there is NO NEED for other militaries to get involved.

 

2. Adpt. The LT was, and has always been opposed to the Alliance. It was set up as such and its leadership, notably Haken Rider, has promoted it as such. Given that do you think that Akiiryu is willingly going to let LT militaries end up on its doorstep in force? True, some nations can work togther at times...the GHET and the SPA can generally work with each other, but in general the relationship is pretty damned cold and mistrustful. More generally speaking, Akiiryu, as I have said, wouldn't need help to defeat Ravenhelm...and even if it did, which it doesn't, it wouldn't admit it (as it would be a show of weakness). Sure, other nations can kick up a storm (and I hope they do politically), but the stragetic importance to other nations (and therefore willingness to commit troops to die) is, realistically much less for every other nation than it is for Akiiryu. Why the hell do you think Akiiryu hasn't got involved in Tarragat? It's of no importance to Akiiryu. We can still rp this - as I have demonstrated - and I appeal to you to think about this in realistic geopolitical terms, rather than simply bomb fest terms. Not every rp has to involve all nations militaries! I state again, Akiiryu can be in and thrown most of Ravenhelm before any other nation has a chance to react. It can also secure its north border with Adpts too (Akiiryu holds the highground). This is about the only situation I have strongly felt IC Akiiryu would risk full scale war over. Knowing how I usually rp, that should mean something.

 

I might add Ravenhelm could become Akiiryu's Iraq...which gives you guys tons of things to rp...

[Suverina]

So I'm being ignored ey?

[Akiiryu]

Aki, you just can't claim territories that aren't your as yours. If Ravenhelm is an independent state you can't stop me from invading them if I am at war with them. You act like you were the ruler of entire N/W Europa. - I do belive that you don't see yourself as ruler of the entire N/W Europe though..

 

Ravenhelm was NEVER been a a puppet of akiiryu so you don't act like you own it. This scenario is based on that ravenhelm is an independent nation.

 

Suv, I suggest you take back your comments and read what I am saying. I am not claiming Ravenhelm is a territory of Akiiryu's/acting like the ruler of NW Europa. Rather, I am making a statement about geopolitical realities, spheres of influence, and the way my nation would react IC. Nothing more.

 

If Suv was at war with Ravenhelm, Akiiryu could stop Suv invading, and might decide to, if it was in its interest to do so.

 

Oh, and I am not ignoring you...I didn't see your post. Calm down already!

[Suverina]

Very good, and I didn't ask you if I was being ignore in an offensive way, if so pleas point out how I was offensive.

 

Although I think that you can't see the whole situation from anywhere but from your own.(I do not mean that in ANY offensive way!!!!!!) Ofcourse ravenhelm is within your sphere, I myself claim the Raga sea to be mine, but I have never threatend Cegerth or Salvinoria. It's a claim, as in your case.

My, Tagmatiums and the Aristocracy's(as he likes to be called) navys are a large force and I'm quite sure the government in Akiiryu wouldn't try blocking them. But if we do invade Ravenhelm, you can then invade Ravenhelm and make up some silly reason. Though that wouldn't be looked upon too friendly by the rest of Europa.

Edited July 26, 2006 by Suverina (see edit history)

[Adaptus]

Why the hell do you think Akiiryu hasn't got involved in Tarragat? It's of no importance to Akiiryu. We can still rp this - as I have demonstrated - and I appeal to you to think about this in realistic geopolitical terms, rather than simply bomb fest terms. Not every rp has to involve all nations militaries! I state again, Akiiryu can be in and thrown most of Ravenhelm before any other nation has a chance to react. It can also secure its north border with Adpts too (Akiiryu holds the highground). This is about the only situation I have strongly felt IC Akiiryu would risk full scale war over. Knowing how I usually rp, that should mean something.

 

I might add Ravenhelm could become Akiiryu's Iraq...which gives you guys tons of things to rp...

I have taken geography into effect, i'm not involved in Tarragat, to far, and has no importance. Also, I did not say anything about mass militaries, I said, that if people were so determined to have militaries in this RP, well then it could be kept to a minimum, for example only involving, special forces, and small scale air attacks. I only suggested my hostage situation to help with my political troubles at home. It was only ment to be small also.

 

I also have no objections to Akiiryu annaxing Ravenhelm. But just to expect similar fuss to what it would kick up if an LT nations occupided the terriroty. Oh, and about the thing about attacking me. Well mate, you may have the high ground, but so did the Germans at mount cassino, and what happend to them

[Suverina]

Surrounded and heavily outnumbered? How long could they resist? They did a hell of a good job though.

Edited July 26, 2006 by Suverina (see edit history)

[Deltannia]

I hope you are not implying that every one of our RPs goes into "bomb fests" because while I understand your basis, that is soemwhat of an insult. The reasons for the fighting are increasingly different. Also, the locations and ways we are learning to role play are becoem ever better with practice and new ideas. In fact, if you take the example of Tarragat, I would argue it is exactly the opposite of a bomb fest, but rather a logistical nightmare for both Rennd and myself.

 

I do understand your concern, however, and I do acknowledge your right to a sphere of influence. However, without Ravenhelm currently at the controls, that could get messy, especially since I think we want to phase Ravenhelm off of our map.

 

For my part, I simply wanted to use Ravenhelm as a testing area should it degenerate into a chaotic state of affairs for my new "thing." I was goign to RP it after Tarragat anyway, but in no way would it be a show of superior might for me, at least.

 

Since it is within your sphere of influence, I would agree to it becoming your "Iraq". That may be the best choice, no solid claim to the territory, but you get to assert control ove it, while others can RP stuff without too much trouble.

[Vocenae]

While I think RPing conflict against a member who is no longer part of the region is a bit unfair, even if said member was an invader.

 

However, Aki is right about the sphere of influence and the international tensions that run between the LT and Alliance. Perhaps that the two organizations participate in the combat, but turn control of the area to Deltannia and myself to help keep tensions from escalating.

 

I know Vocenae would be interested in becoming involved because an attack on the canal project would keep the NW shipping trade as it is now, whereas the canal would help reduce cost and speed up trade.

[Akiiryu]

Guys. I have not intention of annexing Ravenhelm. Nor was I trying to insult anyone, sorry if I have. My point about "bomb fests" is that pretty much evry rp is a war at the moment, although I agree with FACG assessment. However, I would like to broaden the horizon. I also agree with Voc's point about unfairness.

 

Adpt, Aki wouldn't attack Adpt (I never said it would, I said it would secure the border) it would hold the high ground and wait (there are, btw consider differences between MC and our border too). Eqaully, as to your small militaries...sure as long as they were working with or under the control of the Akiiryans.

 

Suv, Aki would try and a fleet/fleets it has the advantage logistically and would use it. Moreover, as I have said this is a point of extreme geopolitical importance for Akiiryu, it ain't gunna allow other armies in there, especially from the LT.

 

Finally, as we haven't heard from Tag yet and given that his canal is meant to be attacked first, all this is a bit academic. Moreover, given all this discussion prehaps it is best we just wipe Ravenhelm from the map and forget about it?

[Social Democratic Confederation]

I'm not sure if this goes here, but it might make a difference: I/we have/are considering applying to join the alliance... Might make a difference beacause of your whole fuss about LT/allaince conflict...