War on Terrorisim OOC

[Akiiryu]

OOC: 10 planes destroy 3 divisons?

[Italgria]

OOC: Yes they do.. see it as this. The planes as they are sold in Nukes4U can hold from 4 up to 6 different types of bombs, makes a minimum of 40 bombs... That is enough for 3 divisions is it?

[Suverina]

OOC: How the f*uck do you blow up atleast 30.000 men with 40 bombs? Even if they go 5 rounds over them that's impossible.

 

edit: btw it isn't desert terrain so it's hard to hit everyone if you had ALOT of bombers.

Edited April 22, 2006 by Suverina (see edit history)

[Italgria]

OOC: Look i am not talking about men but about 3 "parked" panzer divisions close together. I assume that 15 bombs for each division is more than enough. And the tanks also has fuel that blows up you know? And we are talking about panzer divisions of 100-200 tanks.

 

Edit: Why is it hard? It is plain terrain, on open ground and they are still Oo

Edited April 22, 2006 by Italgria (see edit history)

[Suverina]

OOC: According to my opinion if you're not using some type of superweapons you couldn't blow up 3 armoured regiments with that....

[Ide Jima]

ooc: Sorry, but these guys are right Italgria. A division consists of 20-30,000 troops, and ten planes carrying 40 bombs between them couldn't possibly destroy 60,000 (minimum) troops. That's like saying ten aircraft could destroy most of the british army's current combat formations. Sure, they could do some significant damage, so my suggestion would be simply to edit the post and give it some more realistic numbers and let the RP continue. I've been reading with interest and would hate to see this one go down the pan.

[Akiiryu]

Ide Jima is right. Moreover, I doubt, and let's be honest here, three divisons are going to be parked up all nice and whiting to be bombed during a conflict. Indeed, three divisions parked closed together at all seems strange to me (divisonal boundaries and such). Moreover, where was the anti-aircraft weapons? You might also consider the fact that even today most bombs are far from accurate.

 

I would follow IJ's suggestion. Cut down the numbers and keep going.

[Italgria]

I have changed the words a bit around... Oh and Akiiryu look at the information in Nukes4U i think its written there that they are capable in switching a mode to be invisible towards radars (like stealth bombers). Anyways the radar of the enemy sees planes at a given altitude. My planes were flying lower than that so the anti-aircraft could not react in time

[Akiiryu]

Italgria. Don't believe everything you read. No plane is completely invisible - especially when commencing an attack run. Don't think for a minute that Stealth Bombers/Fighters have Star Trek like cloaking shields, they don't, they not invisible rather they are j harder to track. Indeed, look at the language from the site you told me to reference:

 

The combination of stealth, integrated avionics and supercruise drastically shrinks surface-to-air missile engagement envelopes and minimizes enemy capabilities to track and engage the F-22A

 

That is not invisible by any streach of the imagination. It also doesn't reference other forms of anti-air weapons (flak). Moreover, not all anti-aircarft systems work on radar guidance...heat seeking systems are common. Your planes also had to get away so even if they had some element of surprise they lost it as soon as they attacked.

 

I also find it hard to believe that a force that can must 3 divisions of modern amour and constrcut military bases doesn't have the ability to muster adaquate anti-air systems or the presence of mind to know what kind of hardware might be used against it and prepare accordingly.

 

Finally, your edit doesn't really cut the mustard for me. 10 strike planes with a total of 20 1000 pound bombs are not going to devestate 3 battle prepared divisons of amour and their military bases. It is that simple.

[Rekamgil]

After a day of no further events and troops from the exterior entering Italgria's land, the government of Italgria had to react. The threat was gettint bigger and bigger. Through satelite pictures the military had spotted 3 panzer regiments and 2 military bases set up by the "unknown" enemy. The head of states decided to react. At exactly 2000 CET a regiment of 10 F-22A Raptor started they're engine and departed from the military base located west of Bellaira. At 2010 CET they arrived at the enemy gates.

 

F-22A Raptor: "Fox 1 out, Fox 2 out, Fox 3 out!"

F-22A Raptor: "Mission Accomplished all enemies destroyed"

 

The jets had created a devastating damage to the panzer divisions aswell as the military bases, it was now time to prepare for the attack towards Mendoza...

 

Is this the section in dispute?

 

Aki, when you first questioned that 10 planes can destroy 3 divs I had a look at the thread. I don't think it has been changed since then; Ital is claiming that his planes attacked three regiments, not divisions. As we know, there is a significant numerical difference between the two. I agree that the total destruction noted in the text is impossible (even if attacking regts), but he would probably be able to destroy a larger percentage of three regts than he would three divs... Just thought I'd point that out as it seemed to have been overlooked.

 

Edit: I see he refers to them later as "divisions". The first thing he should do is clear up this discrepancy and refer to these units consistently as "regiments", n'est-ce pas?

Edited April 22, 2006 by Rekamgil (see edit history)

[Akiiryu]

I take your point, however Italgria was orginally talking about divs. Moreover, even if they were regiments I think my basic point still stands...no armoured regiment, let a lone three of them, is going to be all nicely parked up in rows waiting to be bombed in a time of war.

[Rekamgil]

Agreed. Mine was just a basic point of clarification; 3 armd div are significantly different that 3 armd regts is all... I agree with all your other suggestions.

[Italgria]

God dammit i alread changed it in created a large damage or something like that a long time ago... What else do you want me to do -.- and Aki you are starting to annoy me Will change over the numbers assoon as i get back from Germany tonight or i give you the permission to change the numbers to what you think is reasonable. ok?

Edited April 23, 2006 by Italgria (see edit history)

[Akiiryu]

Ita, you'll note these comments...not just made by me...are in relation to the changes you made. I won't change anything, so I'll wait and see what you do.

[Italgria]

better now or did i exagerate it?

[Akiiryu]

You still refer to both divisions and regiments...frankly if you want to go with this that's okay. But just try and be realistic eh?

[Italgria]

so give me a hint what do you think reasonable numbers pls.

 

And to the rest. whoever wants to get involved in this (aslong as it is the good side) can join and to the ones who are already into this.. can you do some RPeing too?

[Akiiryu]

As I said, you're getting to a acceptable level now (indeed, the devestating losses is a good way of not saying a numbers!). The loss of two planes is, IMHO, a good number. They didn't necessary have to be lost to AA...below radar flight - even with all the current tech inserted into planes - is still inherantly dangerous, especially at high speeds.

 

As I have repeatedly told others...I'm not trying to be nasty here, I'm just trying to keep things realistic.