Jump to content

International prejudices


Tagmatium Rules
 Share

Recommended Posts

You know it's funny, i like the Prussian, but like most Brits, i'm not to keen on the germans, sorry if i offended anyone, some germans are cool I know, like David Hasselhof biggrin.gif

That's a rather bigotted statement, Ad.

 

Personally, it pisses me off when British people start bleating on about that sort of thing. It's ignorant and stupid. It just shows how far Britain has its head in the past, still living in a world where it was patriotic to beat "Jerry" and "V for victory" and all that sh*te.

 

Christ, if your average Briton looked past an event over 60 years ago, I think you'd be pleasantly surprised by the Germans. WWII is history, and it should be treated as such, rather than a stereotype for a nation that has moved on quite a lot since then. Maybe it's time we did as well, it's just holding us to the past. Britian ain't a superpower anymore, no matter how many times we tell ourselves that, no matter how many times we participate in America's imperialist adventures. The last nail in superpower Britain's coffin came in 1956, when we were shown that we just can't do that sort of sh*t anymore.

 

Although, you wouldn't have believed that in 2006, fifty years later.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 30
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Well, the reason nobody likes Americans, is because they are blunt, and right 90% of the time. They do what needs to be done, to save everyone else's Butts. ( WW 1, 2, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq 1 and 2, Afghanistan, and The Cold War. ) We are always the ones to sacrifice our self image, to do what the worl KNOWS is what needs to be done, but they are just a bunch of Guilty Liberals, and they don't want to accept the fact that stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason, and that Most Muslims hate America and the West.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You know it's funny, i like the Prussian, but like most Brits, i'm not to keen on the germans, sorry if i offended anyone, some germans are cool I know, like David Hasselhof  biggrin.gif

That's a rather bigotted statement, Ad.

 

Personally, it pisses me off when British people start bleating on about that sort of thing. It's ignorant and stupid. It just shows how far Britain has its head in the past, still living in a world where it was patriotic to beat "Jerry" and "V for victory" and all that sh*te.

 

Christ, if your average Briton looked past an event over 60 years ago, I think you'd be pleasantly surprised by the Germans. WWII is history, and it should be treated as such, rather than a stereotype for a nation that has moved on quite a lot since then. Maybe it's time we did as well, it's just holding us to the past. Britian ain't a superpower anymore, no matter how many times we tell ourselves that, no matter how many times we participate in America's imperialist adventures. The last nail in superpower Britain's coffin came in 1956, when we were shown that we just can't do that sort of sh*t anymore.

 

Although, you wouldn't have believed that in 2006, fifty years later.

Very, very well said.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Well, the reason nobody likes Americans, is because they are blunt, and right 90% of the time. They do what needs to be done, to save everyone else's Butts. ( WW 1, 2, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq 1 and 2, Afghanistan, and The Cold War. )

Oh, ok now you've done it US, you've got me on about the yanks now. I'll say this now, i'm sorry if i offend anyone here.

 

Ok. Now the 90% of the time thing, I carnt see that true, the amount of dumb crap the americans do is unbelivable, you dont even have a president that can read, and answer questions properly.

 

Now that wasnt the big problem. Heres what realy pisses me off. Tag may not like this, cos' he would say i'm living in the past, but, i carnt let this slip.

 

"save everyone else's Butts." Ooooh.

 

Ok, WWI the US only fought for 6 months, hardly anytime to make a diffrence in a war of attrition, which would have ended soon anyway with the sate Germany was in, plus the only reason the US helped the allies was due to the fact the Germans were havinf talks with Mexico about attacking the US, thats the only reason they joined.

 

WW2. Againt the only reason the US joined was due to the fact the Jap's attacked Pearl Harbor. Britian was gettin supplies for the US anyway, the UK had began weapons trade with the US a few months before Pearl Harbor, and after a long enough time, we could have invaded ourselfs, along with the Canadians, Indians, Aussies, and other colonial troops, after being re-supplied by America.

 

Vietnam. Oh my god, America lost that war, who the hell did they help, South Vietnam is communist now.

 

Korea. No one was helped, yeah a UN force stoped North Korea and China, but bloody hell, how could you say America you never went in and saved South Korea, it was a bloody multi-national force, my Grandfather fought there sationed on either HMS Ark Royal, Ilustrious or Ocean, I carnt remeber. But it was a multi-national force, not an American invastion force. It was a UN force too.

 

The Gulf War? One answer, Oil Fields.

 

Current Iraq War? Again, Oil Fields.

 

Afganistan. Who the hell have you helped there? Your attacking terroists who lost there power on the local people after the Reds invaded. You didnt save anyone, you just went in to get revenge.

 

The Cold War. Bloody hell, you needed your arses saved there, luckly someone said the wrong thing and the wall came down, if it never camed down, you would be dead by now. Lets face it, russia, even if they didnt have the most Nukes, is just to vast to wage war against, the US would have lost.

 

So theres my rant, now dont get me started on the rest of America.

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

how many times we participate in America's imperialist adventures.

And what imperialist adventures would that be specifically? Do we make Iraqi policy? Or do you simply attack the beliefs of my government when we go in and remove a tyrannical government from power, and have Iraqi's hold thier first elections in Decades?

 

If I remember correctly, the international community backed Afghanistan, but not Iraq. Odd. Isn't that "Imperialistic"? What about the Falkland Islands. Thats not UK Territory. France has a base in Ghana. Thats not French.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

the americans do is unbelivable, you dont even have a president that can read, and answer questions properly.

Really? You don't offend me, at least not with your typical anti america rants. I seriously doubt you can back up your claims with any credible claims that Bush, however much his cowboy diplomacy is annoying, even to me, is illiterate. He may be a moron, but he is an Intelligent moron. What dumb things have we done, except for the ones that get put on by your liberal news media, that constantly reports the "Imperialist Agenda" of America. Didn't they say the same things about Reagan, and at his funeral all the Liberals gave him glowing Euleogies? I think its typical, at how If its unpopular, Liberals will attack it, but if its Popular, its always " We've always been behind it! "

 

So please spare me the typical UK Rhetoric. I have the utmost respect for your people, but sometimes you go too far.

Ok, WWI the US only fought for 6 months, hardly anytime to make a diffrence in a war of attrition, which would have ended soon anyway with the sate Germany was in, plus the only reason the US helped the allies was due to the fact the Germans were havinf talks with Mexico about attacking the US, thats the only reason they joined.

Actually, the US Entered the war to pick up the slack from Russia, and also to keep tabs on them. Troops even entered the Eastern Part of the Vladivostok Penninsula at the end of the war. The way it was going was stalemate, not attrition. America's Air Force and fresh troops won it for you. So don't forget that.

WW2. Againt the only reason the US joined was due to the fact the Jap's attacked Pearl Harbor. Britian was gettin supplies for the US anyway, the UK had began weapons trade with the US a few months before Pearl Harbor, and after a long enough time, we could have invaded ourselfs, along with the Canadians, Indians, Aussies, and other colonial troops, after being re-supplied by America.

If there is one single most ignorant comment I have ever heard, this is it. America entered the war to save France, AGAIN. Soldiers were heard coming from the US, to Europe saying, "We're coming Layfeyette!" ( sp? ) referring to the French official that liased with our Colonial Congress in the Revolution. Our people paid you back for the Help you gave us in the war, and you piss on our graves about it on Iraq. To hell with that, and I will say it here and now: If you don't like america, tough sh*t because we're the world's most powerful nation, and we aren't evil, and we don't oppress our people and we are not imperialist. I think, given the past regimes that were superpowers, such as England, Ancient Rome and Russia c.1920's-90's was far more totalitarian than America.

 

America was responsible for D-Day, and Our troops were responsible for Liberating France, and you guys did the Work in Italy and North Africa. So please actually stay awake in History class.

Vietnam. Oh my god, America lost that war, who the hell did they help, South Vietnam is communist now.

Korea. No one was helped, yeah a UN force stoped North Korea and China, but bloody hell, how could you say America you never went in and saved South Korea, it was a bloody multi-national force, my Grandfather fought there sationed on either HMS Ark Royal, Ilustrious or Ocean, I carnt remeber. But it was a multi-national force, not an American invastion force. It was a UN force too.

 

I'll give you Vietnam, however the general Policy of Containment is what I was referring to. Korea was spearheaded by the Marines, and Army of the US. Again, read history.

The Gulf War? One answer, Oil Fields.

 

Current Iraq War? Again, Oil Fields.

Your damn right it was oil. No, why? Because if you were America, and some crackpot Dictator cut off our oil supply, throwing our nation into an Economic Depression WORSE than the 30's, I would do what it takes within the constraints of law, to stop it. Iraq invaded Kuwait, we stopped them. Its not right that the President has to lie and say iots for "poor little" Kuwait that we go in, and not from saving the Econ0omy of the World's greatest nation. The second time Iaround, I am more skeptical of the Legitamacy of why we went in. I initially supported it, but this past year and a Half, I seriously doubt the Claims my government has made. BUT, I think the situation is something that we can't change, and we have to finish what we started. At least we have the balls to do it. When Italy and spain are a bunch of Socialist pussies who back out over a SMALL terror attack. 9/11 was a Modern Pearl Harbour. you don't cower behind your people, you fight for them.

Afganistan. Who the hell have you helped there? Your attacking terroists who lost there power on the local people after the Reds invaded. You didnt save anyone, you just went in to get revenge.

 

The Cold War. Bloody hell, you needed your arses saved there, luckly someone said the wrong thing and the wall came down, if it never camed down, you would be dead by now. Lets face it, russia, even if they didnt have the most Nukes, is just to vast to wage war against, the US would have lost.

Your joking right? America's 1980's Policies were what saved Germany from a Massed Armoured invasion from the Russian Tank Army. You really don't believe what you just said. Please tell me. I am an Ex Communist, and I mean hardline. I write PAPERS that are published on this.

 

( http://europe-history.com/articlelenin.php )

 

America was responsible for Russia's loss in Afghanistan, however the spirit of the Terrorists the Jihadi's would become, is what fueld the fire to continue. I seriously think your facts are distorted. Come to me when you have at least a 50% general knowledge of the topics you discuss, and I will be more than happy to discuss why Americans are usually right.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You have just dissplayed to me there, another sign of American stupidity. All you have done is rattled off, a whole load of points to how i was so wrong, which every yank does when I rant on. However, you have not explained these points.

 

America was responsible for Russia's loss in Afghanistan.

 

How? I have not seen a single textbook, documentary, or source which says the US played any pary in the communist invasion of Afganistan.

 

America's 1980's Policies were what saved Germany from a Massed Armoured invasion from the Russian Tank Army

 

Again, how, American policies would not have made any diffrence to West Germany, at the time West Germany, was classed as a independant country. US legislation or policies would have no effect in Germany. Just because you had troops in Germany doesnt mean you stopped the commies.

 

some crackpot Dictator cut off our oil supply

 

He wouldnt havem if you left the situation alown, which should be done. The only reason that would happen is because America offened Saddam in anyway, and i dont know how you lot did, untill you said lets kick Saddam out of Kuwait.

 

the US Entered the war to pick up the slack from Russia, and also to keep tabs on them. Troops even entered the Eastern Part of the Vladivostok Penninsula at the end of the war

 

So did a whole load of troops, Japan, Britian, France and italy, also sent troops into Russian. Plus, during this time Germany gave up on Russia when they relised a civil war was in progress.

 

America entered the war to save France

 

Blah, blah, blah. Just remeber, France helped you in your war of Indipendance against us, and dont denie it, as most Americans do, they did, the sige of Yorktown is a good example of the Frence saving your arses. You yank owe the French, so dont complain when they need to be saved.

 

Korea was spearheaded by the Marines, and Army of the US. Again, read history.

 

Well obviously, but that does not give you the right to claim it as an American victory, the British Navy played alarge part in that war, for one. Plus North Korea, obvioulsy have nukes now, bu South Korea, dont, so, how has that war helped South Korea?

 

So please actually stay awake in History class.

 

You say that to a predicted A* student in History in his GCSE's, HA. You have no idea who your dealing with mate.

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

First and foremost, I will expect more respect from someone who thinks he's better than me, even though we're both the same reace, and same heritage. My Ancestor was a German Hessian, and I trace my heriatage back to Erik The Red, who settled in a Town in france called Lacey. So I would appreciate a better term than "Yank".

 

--

You have just dissplayed to me there, another sign of American stupidity. All you have done is rattled off, a whole load of points to how i was so wrong, which every yank does when I rant on. However, you have not explained these points.

All of my points were valid, yet all you do is pick through mine, and find ones that are vague and call my whole arguement a "Yank Rattle Fest". I will attempt to shine through the thorough brainwashing and totally inaccurate information no doubt force fed to you from your Government Schools.

How? I have not seen a single textbook, documentary, or source which says the US played any pary in the communist invasion of Afganistan.
Money, Weapons and Stinger Missiles enabled the Jihadi's to effectively engage supply Convoys, and Hind Helicopters as well as Antov Transport aircraft. Money and Small arms was also given. this was facilitated by the CIA. PLEASE research and not spout off what your teacher tells you.

Again, how, American policies would not have made any diffrence to West Germany, at the time West Germany, was classed as a independant country. US legislation or policies would have no effect in Germany. Just because you had troops in Germany doesnt mean you stopped the commies.

We had a HELL of alot of troops in Germany, and it is confirmed Soviet Army Doctrine that any engagement against NATO would be examplified in a Massed Armoured Invasion through Russian Tank, and Motorised Infantry Divisions. Go get the Game Operation Flashpoint. At the time, the M1A1 Abrams Tank is what would have stopped the Vastly Technologically inferior, though numerically superior T 80/72 Tanks of the day. Also, Germany relied wholely on NATO, and mainly The USA to protect it during the Cold War. I really respectfully ask that you review USA and Soviet Doctrines, before you make statements like that. Its not an insult, but an advisory.

He wouldnt havem if you left the situation alown, which should be done. The only reason that would happen is because America offened Saddam in anyway, and i dont know how you lot did, untill you said lets kick Saddam out of Kuwait.

So, if America Invaded Cuba, or Mexico, you would just let us? I doubt it. Whats the difference in Iraq? It doesn't matter if he gases his own people with Mustard and Sarin Gas. Its ok, because he's a 3rd world, impoverished nation. I just don't understand at how people who see people like Saddam, and the People in Iran, who kill, oppress and subjucate thier people, can be DEFENDED by people who have the very rights they are denied in Iraq, Iran and elsewhere. Its really sad.

So did a whole load of troops, Japan, Britian, France and italy, also sent troops into Russian. Plus, during this time Germany gave up on Russia when they relised a civil war was in progress.

But who is really Recognised for it? The US, simply because when anyone commits troops, the US also puts in more, Most of the time. The USA Lead, Promoted and Spearheaded it all. Just because Japan tags along at the end, doesn't mean they're a key player. And don't use that for world war 1 or two. I mean when they enter in at the lastm inute and don't do sh*te.

Blah, blah, blah. Just remeber, France helped you in your war of Indipendance against us, and dont denie it, as most Americans do, they did, the sige of Yorktown is a good example of the Frence saving your arses. You yank owe the French, so dont complain when they need to be saved

Again, this point proves that as it stands, I am acting more "Enlightened and Cultured" than you Europeans that think we're "Yanks". thats Stereotyping, which brings us back to the origin of the Topic. Your really defeating your whole purpose sir, so please show some more respect. And while your at it, actually read my paragragh and you will see that I gave full credit of aiding us in the Revolutionary War, to France. Without thier help, it would've been vastly more difficult, if not impossible to defeat England. And even my opinion of that, is in the Minority over here.

Well obviously, but that does not give you the right to claim it as an American victory, the British Navy played alarge part in that war, for one. Plus North Korea, obvioulsy have nukes now, bu South Korea, dont, so, how has that war helped South Korea?

We never claimed it as a Victory. I simply said we had the balls to lay it all on the line. I am simply stating, as I said earlier, be it for good or bad, America does what needs to be done, because the rest of Europe and Asia is filled with liberals. And thats coming from about as Flaming a Liberal as you can get. I was once associated with the CPUSA. I am now a Proud Libertarian. You really need to put thought, effort and factual information, and less Pride, and Nationalistic Feelings into your arguements. My county's culture is horrible, and so is our Government. I look at the Facts. I am not force fed anytrhing by some government who wants to paint a pretty picture for everyone.

You say that to a predicted A* student in History in his GCSE's, HA. You have no idea who your dealing with mate.

Sure I do. I 'm dealing with an Intelligent, albeit misguided and impressionable Teenager who has a love for his country. All admirable qualities, but just remember your government, and mine are not perfect. So its not fair to bash anybody elses really. And also, I daresay your speaking to a college student who is majoring in Political Science thank you. I attend Sinclair Community, in Ohio.

Edited by Tagmatium Rules (see edit history)
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Listen, I have respect for for you, I have respect for most. But I must say, you have given the same responce to me that every other American does. Your just adding more facts and more arguments.

 

Go get the Game Operation Flashpoint. At the time, the M1A1 Abrams Tank is what would have stopped the Vastly Technologically inferior, though numerically superior T 80/72 Tanks of the day. Also, Germany relied wholely on NATO, and mainly The USA to protect it during the Cold War. I really respectfully ask that you review USA and Soviet Doctrines, before you make statements like that. Its not an insult, but an advisory.

 

See, what has this got to do with American policies, affecting Germany?

 

Oh, and dont worry, about my schools brainwashing me, my schools a dump, i'm mostly self tought, as you can tell by my spelling tongue.gif

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I kinda flew through all of the posts about who is right and wrong and what not, but I will agree on the statement that the USA helped the Mujahadeen forces (however they spell it) defeat the USSR forces in Afghanistan. The CIA was "unofficially" helping. It was just another really bad choice in Cold War Era weapons dealing to help defeat the Communists, since over the next decade or so the Taliban filled the power vacuum that the USA helped to create.

 

Anyway, I probably should not get involved since it is not my discussion and I am an obsessive History nut. salute.gif

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The Falklands is populated by people of British descent. They had NO indigenous population before the arrival of settlers in the second half of the eighteenth century. The first British settlement was established in 1766 (they had been visiting the island since 1690). The first permenant population (by anyone), however, can be dated from 1833. It was British.

 

As to your other question, no. But it still has Guam, Midway etc etc. Come on let's move on from this silliness.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I would do what it takes within the constraints of law, to stop it.

 

sorry to say but this little statement about iraqi oil fields sums it up neatly about what many in the world find wrong with the USA's position in the world today. They invade another soverigen nation (Iraq) flying in the face of all established international law, with the flimsy premise of stopping the weapons of mass destruction, when it was made clear by the UN weapons inspectors that there wernt any. How can you justify an invasion to take what is not yours to keep the domestic economy ticking over and causing suffering to millions to remain comfortable in your life-style and then blatantly endorsing that view and feeling comfortable about taking such action? Futhermore the USA has done similar plenty of tmes to spread their brand of democracy on the world, for example Chile under Pinochet and Nicoragua under Noriaga(sp?)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think, that the human beings must love ones to the others,

independently of its color, race, nationality and sex.

Because all we are different, but all we are equal.

In all the continents, countries, or cities, exist good and bad

people , and each one has that to be responsible for its acts.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
 Share


×
×
  • Create New...