Hidaya Miliki: Xheng

[Scipii]

No matter how you look at it Xheng is f*****

 

Outnumbered, outgunned and surrounded by hostile forces

 

He WILL pay for his arrogance, whether he likes it or not.

[Rekamgil]

Oh and one further question related to my last post. For me, most of the fun is at least the semblance of some sort of realism. Now, from my understanding, real nations that embark upon wars and posture belligerently are willing to follow through with the ugly mess that war can become. Should this not also be the case here? Maybe "war RPing" is ugly but isn't that the price one needs to pay if one starts a war? Maybe I'm being naive, but that's how I think I'd operate if I'd provoked a world war???

[Tagmatium Rules]

That's very good.

 

I've often acted very aggressively, and have been ready to follow it through, even though it would have meant being invaded and trounced, but after a long, hard fight.

 

I did back down when threated with nukes, though. Tagmatium is a nation that does tend to have a bark louder than it's bite.

[Akiiryu]

R,

 

You are exactly right. RP requires realism, you just can't god mode everytime something doesn't go your way (the capture of the freedom ship is a prime example in this case).

 

Moreover, if you are going to be belligerentl and threaten war, then you're going to have to accept the results of such actions.

 

I vote that the war starts again with me as War Mod. If this is accepted I would request that the attacking powers post there plans here OOC (I know many of them already as Akiiryu is one of them, but I want everything to be crystal clear)>

 

I would also like an agreement of the results and outcomes (occupations etc). I know some players have plans. Please OOC them here.

[Rekamgil]

I did back down when threated with nukes, though

Absolutely, and that seems correct to me. No one doesn't HAVE to go through the whole messy war, even if one provokes one, but if they want to get out of it, they need to find a realistic solution such as surrender, or as you mentioned, backing down and making IC concessions that account for their IC actions... not OOC claiming to hate RPing wars and flushing every other players work and fun down the tubes...

 

I agree with you!

[Rekamgil]

Not that puny Rekamgil has much say yet, but I vote let Aki War Mod. Rekamgil has no territorial ambitions and so will step aside, having made its view known on neutral rights and peace etc.

 

IC I made an offer to send an international team to HM to oversee the transfer of power to a legitimate government. If this is in the cards, the DOR is still willing to do so. But if not, we'll stay at home and wait for the next crisis before butting our noses in once more!!!

 

YES I CAN... SORRY!

Edited February 16, 2006 by Rekamgil (see edit history)

[Europtima]

OK, out of character, this is obnoxious. I agree with Van and others, that you can't call off a war just because someone is too immature to know how to post. If Xheng wants to shoot his mouth off and be irrational, then he should pay for it. That includes a full-scale obliteration, invasion, and occupation. hah, that rhymes. Anyway, you can't just go off and be an ass for two months and expect the world to forgive you when you give up. Xheng is outnumbered, and his enemies are PISSED OFF. In the real world, that's a free invitation to your own funeral. Bye bye! Don't call off a war just because there isn't clarity. He should've thought of the consequences before hand. In my opinion, too little too late.

 

Now, after this grand invasion, for recourse, he could appeal to have his nation back in say...a month? 6 months? whatever. And if he could prove that he would be more cooperative and less of an ass, then so be it, I'll accept that he can have his nation back. But at least TCN had a scrid of knowledge about alliances and RPing. Xheng, on the other hand, has broken so many rules that none of us would be able to get away with. Face it, Ide Jima did similar things back when he was new to the region, and I led the charge in calling him on it. But now he's changed, and is a very logical and contributing member of the region. The reason why I left the region for so long was because I was sick and damn tired of people talking about how they moved their navies across the region in 2 days, and how their new missile was better than anyin the history of the world, and just crap like that. I mean, be serious, because otherwise it's no fun. Obviously Xheng is inexperienced with these concepts, and should be taught the proper technique to create realism. If he wants to be belligerent though, then I have no time for him, and my troops are ready to blow his "$10 trillion military" to the moon. Hell, if his is $10 trillion, mine might as well be $15 trillion. why not! Hey Van, do you want to have a $50 trillion military? MAYBE IF WE'RE COUNTING IN PESOS!!

 

As you can see, I think this is being handles very poorly. Tag, you can't end threads on a whim, especially right before I sink everything in his harbors down the weather buoys. And Xheng! Face it! YOU LOSE! You lose the war! Your plans for a puppet government were discovered and thwarted! So you can either learn from this foolishness, or face the consequences of a dozen superpowers eating you for lunch.

 

Go ahead and edit away Tag. I'm not happy

[Europtima]

I agree, Akiiryu should be the War Mod, if we get one

[Tagmatium Rules]

@Europtima: Fair enough, boss. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, it's just a shame that it differs to that of the RP Mod's, and therefore doesn't matter. Next!

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In all seriousness, I closed the thread as it was going nowhere and it needed to be discussed. We were just spinning around in circles, as Xheng didn't want to participate as he would have lost. I closed the thread, not because Xheng was going to get his arse kicked, as that was a given, but because we needed to make an outcome that was mutually acceptable for all, as well as making clear "battle-plans" so that everyone knew what was happening, where. As I've said, I was increasingly becoming confused over what was going on, where, due to the numerous battlefronts, as well as the different threads on the same thing.

 

So, to sum up, I closed the two threads so we could sort out what was going on, then RP the outcome when it was agreed upon by all.

 

If that last part of your post is a reference to an idea that I modify posts to change their content until its acceptable to me, I ask you to take that back. I have never, and will never, work like that. Oh, maybe I do, sometimes. To make it into correct spelling, as I can be a bit anal like that, on occasions.

 

Plus, could be EDIT their posts, rather than double post?

Edited February 16, 2006 by Tagmatium Rules (see edit history)

[Adaptus]

Well, you know what i think?

 

I think, this whole entire thing is a complete mess, including the OOC, which ended up into a constant nag fest at Xheng, in which ne never listend, nor disscused. this whole thing is a shambles. I agree with Tag, bury it, bury it in the deapest pit in Europa. Although i do feel Xheng needs him punishment for this load of apsolute sh*te.

 

My solution?

 

the whole of Xheng split into occupastion zones and then returned into free plots after a year of occupation. Then the Threads burried and never brought back to light, to be hounist, these are far worse than the TCN threads, at least he had some sort of RP common sence. But this, this is just a large pile of steaming hot sh*t to add to the ever growing list of bad RP's which crop up on this region. Oh and as for Xheng, you have done enough damage to Europa, and with no care for other RPers, or no care for your actions, you may as well leave, as Aki is right, no one will want to RP with you ever again, your reputation in Europa is scared beyone repair.

 

 

[Akiiryu]

Okay guys, let's calm down. At the moment we're only really giving Xheng OOC what he wants.

 

Rather than focusing on Xheng OOC, let's focus on Xheng IC! Sign me off as War Mod and I am sure we can get this thing back on the road!

 

So far R, Scp, US and E have said yes. Others?

Edited February 16, 2006 by Akiiryu (see edit history)

[Upper Strathyclyde]

You've got my support.

[Scipii]

Yeap

[Europtima]

@Tag- You're so charming. So now if we want to have a valid opinion it has to echo yours? Like I said, charming. Also, why do you have to close a thread to discuss how it's going to end? Call me a moron, but I thought that's what the thread was for. The fact that Xheng was gonna get what he had coming means nothing. RP it out! And sorry I posted twice in a row, silly me. From the way you reacted, I must be the only one in the history of posting that's done that

 

@Aki- Rock on, you have four votes. How many do you need?

 

@Adaptus- Exactly, that's what I was saying. Split Xheng into zones of control that should be held for a year. IF, after one year he can prove to the occupiers that he has changed his ways, then his lands shall be returned to him. Until then, he can go do something else.

 

I have no want or wish to discuss things with Xheng. Only to crush them. Have a nice day

Edited February 16, 2006 by Europtima (see edit history)

[Emakera]

@Akiiryu: Sure. I vote for ya

 

About the case of the RP, i think we should just forget it, it?s ruined... oops, i?ve said that before

If the RP happens again, we?ll (try to) take a chunk of the cheese with us. We tried to make peace with IC Xheng (imho i am clean with ooc Xheng, he even added me on msn, but he?s always away), but it didn?t even answer... oh well.

It?s not that insulting, but with effort, everything is an insult , eh? XD

Edited February 16, 2006 by Chairman Ryth of Emakera (see edit history)

[Upper Strathyclyde]

Lets not bash Tag please. He is only doing his job. Give him a break.

[Scipii]

About the case of the RP, i think we should just forget it, it?s ruined... oops, i?ve said that before

Easy for you to say, he did not threaten to annex you and change the name of your country.

 

Like France in 1918 I say punish him

[Upper Strathyclyde]

diggin' that smiley...

[Akiiryu]

Okay. This is aimed at everyone. I want to make that clear from the start.

 

The reason I am asking for votes is to make sure that this done properly and that we're all in agreement. I am not going to go off half cocked on this. Tag, rightfully, stopped the rp because there was no discussion and no agreed end. Voting me in is going to go some way to fixing that.

 

Tag is never underhand when he edits. He AWLAYS uses the edit notification post and most of the time (if not always) explains why he has edited something. I have only ever seen Tag edit 1. Grammar 2. Offensive stuff/slinging matches and 3. Rule violations. That is his job. I do not believe he would edit in an underhand way, come on it's Tag. we're talking about!

 

Sometimes we may disagree, but we have to respect his judgements. It's not an easy job. We could all go a long way remembering that. If you disagree with something then PM him and ask his reasons, don't roast him over an open fire! He's a reasonable guy and will respond.

 

Now maybe I am saying this in part because I, it seems, will soon be WAR MOD, but I firmly do believe we need to give mods a break.

[Tagmatium Rules]

@Europtima:The first part of my post where I mentioned that I would disgard anyone's opinions that didn't match mine was, in fact, a joke. Which I assumed everyone would understand.

 

I've got no quarrel with you, nothing OOC.

 

But I feel I must say again that I have never edited posts to make sure they reflect better upon myself. I have edited posts if requested to do so by someone else for RP reasons or to take out something deemed too offensive. Or, as I have said, to change grammar or spelling by running it through MicroSoft Word if the spelling/grammar was so bad it detracted from the post's quality.

 

Plus, I have asked people to edit posts rather than double post several times before. I missed out "people" in that post.

[Emakera]

About the case of the RP, i think we should just forget it, it?s ruined... oops, i?ve said that before

Easy for you to say, he did not threaten to annex you and change the name of your country.

 

Like France in 1918 I say punish him

If you?re talking about HM, "forgot sake" (by otaku ichise)... it was only a puppet nation. OOC, bro, plx.

[Scipii]

About the case of the RP, i think we should just forget it, it?s ruined... oops, i?ve said that before

Easy for you to say, he did not threaten to annex you and change the name of your country.

 

Like France in 1918 I say punish him

If you?re talking about HM, "forgot sake" (by otaku ichise)... it was only a puppet nation. OOC, bro, plx.

Nope I was talking about my county (Scipii) in his declaration of war against me.

[Emakera]

Oh, my bad :x

[Xheng]

May I have a few words?

 

Ok, first of all, I never wanted this war to start. I wanted a nice little RP for me nation to get the 1/2 territory grab that its population warrented it. Simple, fair, and easy...but apparently there was some massive campaign against that. Yes my nation is big but I never broke any rules. Those rules never said that a nation's physical size couldn't change.

 

Secondly, I never wanted an RP war, someone else simply wanted to start that. The alliance format never worked out because people ditched and abandoned allies. What was the point of alliances if they would never hold in the matters that they were designed for?

 

Aki a war mod? Don't even get me started. First and foremost a Mod should be like a judge in a court. A judge at least, in western terms does not act or speak on behalf othe prosecution or the defense, therefore should be entirely independent and neutral. Aki certainly is NOT neutral in this case and was the foremost opponent of me even breathing.

 

Punishment? Well you can do whatever you wish really, I can't stop it. One thing is that RP-wise my nation has done nothing that would have been considered openly hostile to other nations short of sanctions on its enemies. It has not invaded or commited genocide. Its leaders have not committed what are refered to as "War Crimes." and the nation is not a haven for terrorists. These are lables that other players slapped on to villify mine.

 

Surrender? Why not? A nation can surrender whenever they wish.

 

Realism - Yes I'm talking realism here. Too many RPers RP based on principle and not what really drives world politics: Economics. Take for example Pirilao who was having a very large and expensive ship being built in Xheng, hardly a good time for it to remain neutral if it had money involved. True that I threatened him first, but in real life, a national government would look out for its investments of manpower and civilian lives in another nation and not just declare war absolutely.

 

Public opinion polls? I thought most nations were democratic here? What about opposition parties? Economic preasures from private companies? None of this seems to be an issue. It seems that people love RPing a leader's rhetoric but they have no idea how that is carried out on the front lines. Armies seemed never to have deserters, a fact that I RPed in my own army actually.

 

Lots of people compare this little war to the Iraq Liberation War. Well let me also named a few problems wit this comparison:

 

1.) No nation declared war on the USA. Plenty did on me.

2.) Genocide may have been involved in both, but no nation openly supported and send troops to help Saddam Hussein. Some here were about to do that against me.

3.) The International Community openly opposed it, but did little else.

4.) World-Wide protests against the war. None seemed to exist in this RP war.

 

There are MASSIVE situations that have to be RPed in the case of a war on this scale but seems that people bypassed it. If you want to talk about God Modding, how about simply assuming the responses of billions of people throughout the world as unanimous? Don't talk to me about God Modding repsonses because I made an effort in my own RPs to show that my own nation was divided on the issue. No one seems to have made that effort at all, and it sickens me that the finger of wrong is pointed at me.

 

I don't like RPing wars to begin with, they're tedious long boring and just one wrong move and players gang up on you without hesitation (something that real nations do not do).

 

A nation can surrender. My nation did and its doors are open. Now before you try to RP your soldiers surging in and murdering everyone, think carefully: would a soldier on the front, or a general truly order this? What about a nation's previously established infrastructure? Economic stability? Borders? You also must realize that my border with Byzantine Nova is one of the largest in Europa. They may not take friendly to "occupational" zones dividing up my nation. And certainly the ethnic peoples of my nation may not respond kindly to that. Its one thing to RP the slaughter of soldiers of an empire, but can you order the slaughter of civilians? Ask your self this carefully before saying "Yes" as I know some of you might.

[Akiiryu]

Xheng, despite what you might think. I have nothing against you personally. I object, however, to your repeated attaempts at character assassination.

 

Moreover, given your refusal to even discuss points in the past, many might think this post is too late to late.

Aki certainly is NOT neutral in this case and was the foremost opponent of me even breathing.

 

Excuse me? Are you implying I want you dead?

 

Secondly, I never wanted an RP war, someone else simply wanted to start that. The alliance format never worked out because people ditched and abandoned allies. What was the point of alliances if they would never hold in the matters that they were designed for

 

Akiiryu's allies didn't abandon it. Maybe it had something to do with Xheng's IC policies?

 

 

Public opinion polls? I thought most nations were democratic here? What about opposition parties? Economic preasures from private companies? None of this seems to be an issue. It seems that people love RPing a leader's rhetoric but they have no idea how that is carried out on the front lines. Armies seemed never to have deserters, a fact that I RPed in my own army actually.

 

This is untrue. Maybe you should stop and examine some of the other rps that have taken palce in this region before making such accusations. Moreover, your deserters were running off to support your objectives.

 

Indeed, I find you public opinion comment rather, well, forced, given the way you've played and depicted your own nation. Oh, and for the record, Akiiryu is a dictatorship.

 

Lots of people compare this little war to the Iraq Liberation War. Well let me also named a few problems wit this comparison:

 

1.) No nation declared war on the USA. Plenty did on me.

2.) Genocide may have been involved in both, but no nation openly supported and send troops to help Saddam Hussein. Some here were about to do that against me.

3.) The International Community openly opposed it, but did little else.

4.) World-Wide protests against the war. None seemed to exist in this RP war.

 

The name you give for the US/UK invasion of Iraq aside, people were pointing out that you walk into HM was highly unrealistic. The reason countries didn't declare war on the US/UK is because they knew:

 

1) They'd lose

2) It wasn't in their overal interest to do so.

 

These were not considerations in this rp. Xheng is not the regional superpower. The US in RL is the wordl superpower.

 

Oh, and people did condemn Xheng's invasion. You ignored repeated IC and OOC attempts to rp this out.

 

 

I don't like RPing wars to begin with, they're tedious long boring and just one wrong move and players gang up on you without hesitation (something that real nations do not do).

 

Then why start one? You did, don't deny it. Moreover, you were happy to invade a puppet nation that could not fight back. I also happen to think that nation reactions were realistic, based on the actions of your nation. There were, btw, at least two nations who condemned the idea of the war. If you make a wrong move, well, then that's life.

 

I have answered your comments here in part because of the misrepresentations and such they contain. I am surprised that you still think you are the innocent party here. Take a look at the comments made by all the other players Xheng (not just me) and try an understand where they are coming from.