Hidaya Miliki

[Xheng]

A small kingdom located at Territory 112, is going to be roleplayed soon. The ideas are drawn from the Civil wars of Africa, particularly Rwanda and Somalia. I am currently writing the history of the nation, government structure, and other aspects that will shed light on the situation and how it may affect Europa itself.

 

Hidaya Miliki

Edited January 15, 2006 by Xheng (see edit history)

[Ide Jima]

That looks great, I'd love to help in the RPing of it

[Tagmatium Rules]

Although it does verge on breaking that new rule I recently introduced and most people voted in favour of, this does look interesting and a good idea.

 

I'd like to see what else you propose.

[Xheng]

I plan on RPing this situation but with the new rules about puppet nations being so vague and absolute, there's no way someone can play another nation without breaking them.

 

My nation is approaching 2 billion which means another expansion plot, and this RP situation was one way of doing it to make it more interesting, but I guess no one can break the rules.

[Akiiryu]

Xheng,

 

1) The rule was put to a democratic vote and it was passed.

 

2) Feel free to do an expansion rp by all means (including background story and all for the territory - you are, after all, really good at that) just don't create a puppet nation. While I am not saying you would do anything "bad" (ie cheat) the fact is abuses have occured in the past, and Tag has moved - with the support of the community - to make sure they do not happen again.

 

Sorry if you don't like this, but that's where we sit at the moment. You could have helped to draft the rule, or you could propose a new rule. It is up to you really.

[Xheng]

There is no nation in NationStates as Hidaya Miliki. The best is perhaps one of my puppet nations that has almost 500 million people. I could use it as the statistics.

 

The nation that I invented, has a dictatorial ruler, as bad as any dictator in history who is willingly to use genocide to complete his absolute rule and crush anyone who opposes him. Think Adolf Hitler, but without the cuddly personality. Think Kim Jong Il, but without the modesty. Think Joseph Stalin, but without the forgiving personality. We're talking BAD.....

[Akiiryu]

In light of your comments, you need to talk to Tag.

[Xheng]

I think there's no problem with it, we can simply assume what happens if another player RP's the nation. I'm of course, speaking as Xheng, intervening to stop genocide.

[Tagmatium Rules]

Well, the rule can be looked at later.

 

As you obviously do have criticsm of it, why did you not voice them when the thread was open? I'll have to look at it again, but there's no need to be quite so rude about it.

 

If this is an expansion, it's like my taking over of the plot north to me, "the Commonwealth of Paphalogonia". I was hoping for the same thing, but no-one took any interest It's also similar to the various Ide Jiman threads of a similar sort.

 

I'd have no problem with it, and if done well it could be good. If done well.

[Akiiryu]

I agree with Tag. Beware, however, such rps can ultimately end in you not getting the territory depending on how other nations react. Xheng intervening to stop the genocide is one thing, Xheng intervening and annexing the country is quiet another (and likely to raise eyebrows around Europa). You'll have to be prepared for that eventuality and not rp (or, indeed, set up) the target nation in a way that simply works for your designs/your advantage (and this is where the pupper difficulty lies - and one of the reasons rule was passed).

[Ide Jima]

I don't think Xheng wants the territory to become part of the Arch Imperium, it's just a Genocide RP.

[Tagmatium Rules]

@Ide:

My nation is approaching 2 billion which means another expansion plot, and this RP situation was one way of doing it to make it more interesting

 

I'd suggest you shouldn't make the "good" so "good" and the "bad" so "bad". Kidnapped aid workers by the rebels maybe could do this.

 

EDIT: How would you pronoun "Xheng" in English, Xheng? I'm sadly ignorant of the Chinese language...

Edited January 17, 2006 by Tagmatium Rules (see edit history)

[Ide Jima]

Another expansion? Xheng started on four and then bought one off me. Is it just me or does that not add up?

[Xheng]

As I recall, purchasing land does not constitute necessarily the equaivalent to nation's growth.

 

I did acquire a territory from Ide Jima but that didn't have anything to do with population growth. I used money for that.

 

And "Xheng" is pronounced "Zheng"

[Akiiryu]

Xheng, you're skating on thin ice here - both in relation to the rules and your attitude.

[Xheng]

Xheng, you're skating on thin ice here - both in relation to the rules and your attitude.

I was asking a question.

 

And as for my attitude, it takes two to tango, and I'm in no mood to dance.

 

As for you Akiiryu, I'm starting to get tired of you constantly suggesting that I have some smug attitude in my posts. I was asking and stating something that is completely logical: There wasn't anything in the rules regarding buying nations that would stop me from acquiring more territory before my population grew.

 

You have to realize, that when I make posts I don't measure them by your standards. It seems that no matter what I say or do in these forums there's always an Akiiryu around critisizing and nitpicking at details, and I'm starting to get fed up with it. Anymore of this harassment continues I'm simply going to have to stop paying attention to any posts you make. Best yet ignoring you completely.

Edited January 18, 2006 by Xheng (see edit history)

[Akiiryu]

LOL, very good, very good. My point was however, you're all for criticising rules after they've been passed...but to for involving yourself in their writing up. I might add I wasn't the only one who thought you went too far here either.

[Tagmatium Rules]

6. You can change the borders via RP:ing. (if border is against empty slot do not make too big annexations for this reduces the changes for new countries to have the slot they want. Empty slots are primarily for them. If the border is against another country however you can RP the changes as large as you wish if everyone concerned is agreeable. See the RP rules for guidance(here)

Well, the purchase of territory does sort of come under the annexation thing.

 

If this RP goes ahead, then could you not take such a large territory when you hit 3 billion, or none at all?

 

I understand the RP part of it now, and I don't really think Xheng needs a puppet nation to represent the Hidaya Miliki nation.

 

EDIT: Oooh, I didn't notice page two...

Edited January 18, 2006 by Tagmatium Rules (see edit history)

[Xheng]

I'm not even sure if I will get the territory. As I stated the RPing will decide that. I may want to change the location to one of the smaller coastal territories south of the Arch-Imperium so that its not such a massive swathe of land.

 

In addition, since within Hidaya Miliki, there is expected to be acts of genocide, there is going to be significant international attention drawn to that location, (much like Rwanda) but its unknown if in this case, any nation will take sides.

[Tagmatium Rules]

Hey, would it be ok to have some Aid Workers kidnapped by the rebels when the RP starts? Just to put Tagmatium on the side of the genocidal government, or leaning towards them, rather than for the rebels?

[Akiiryu]

Ok Xheng,

 

1st) don't edit posts after I have replied to them. Its not khoser or fair to the other person (in this case me).

 

2nd) IC Akiiryu doesn't like Xheng, I.> So you're gunna get criticsed there - it is nothing OOC personal.

 

3rd) In relation to this point (ie OOC) I wasn't the only person who thought you over stepped the line politeness wise or were staking on the line rule wise, and I stand by my comments. You had tonnes of time to critique the rule and suggest edits, you didn't. Instead you complain about it and in two posts make comments which seem, well, a little nasty (not to mention the sarcasm in the edited post above).

 

 

[Adaptus]

just to let you know, Xheng, if you are planning on taking part of this territory, then you already have 5 and a half plots. and the limit is 6, so techincaly, you can only have half of the territory.

[Xheng]

I know the limits of territory which is why I'm going to insist that Hidaya Miliki be located at one of the small nations at the south of my own, near the Byzantine Novan border so that I can achieve the long awaited southern port and still have my EMPIRE the size that it is now.

 

And it makes a fitting situation to RP. The Xheng army only siezes half of the land, forcing a partition. This adds more to the RPing, I think and its a brilliant idea, from me.

[Tagmatium Rules]

Due you want to some one to come forward as the arms dealer?

 

Tagmatium isn't above selling weaponry to these sort of people.

[Akiiryu]

Akiiryu is moving...just like the old days.