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2 hours ago, Greater Serbia said:

might as well make Edrela a candidate too for its geographic proximity to Greater Serbia

It could be difficult to try to put influence across all of those nations, especially in any long lasting form. Spreading yourself thin and shit.

I'm going to ping @Seylos, as this is his baby.

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Been thinking about whether or not to say this but I've decided I should.

Now @Greater Serbia know you are just trying to get back into the RP and I am very happy about, but what motives do you have to justify being in Ceris?  As far as I can see, there are no economic or cultural reasons, and, to be completely honest, no economic reasons either.  Western Ceris is literally a sh*thole economically, how do you expect your people to be able to support them while your country does whatever you do?  Judging just from your new thread with Tag and V and whoever else, it seems like either your government is either unstable or being overthrown altogether and so I doubt you have the political power within your own nation to pull this off.  If your goal really was just "manipulation" and you don't want to annex a territory then you need to explain 3 things: 1) Why would you waste your resources on Ceris, 2) what will you do there (saying "manipulation" could mean anything from establishing a small sphere of influence to Leopold II in Congo exploitation- you need to define this) and 3) depending on what you are doing, the Eurth community might react- something I doubt you want more of.  I am not trying to stifle your activity, but Eurth RP is realistic RP- I would be happy to swallow my words if you can work out a reasonable motive for your actions in Ceris.  Or if the mods/Seylos don't care if you get involved and I'm the only one that does, then I'd suggest ignoring this.  

I don't mean to single you out or target you, and I by no means wish to see you become inactive in terms of roleplaying with the Eurth community (although painfully slow, I find writing with other people adds some spice to it), however I find it very unrealistic that your people or government, if in real life, would actually get involved in Ceris.  However, that is a decision for you, Seylos, and the mods to decide- and they deem it O.K., then it is okay for me.  This was just a few of my thoughts about the whole situation; this extends beyond just GS and I think anyone who is already in/will be/is thinking about joining this thread should think about this in RL terms: would my people accept this? or would there be protests?  Could I economically, politically, and socially support this territory I am annexing, and if I'm not annexing anything, would it really be worth investing money in this region?

 

Just my two cents.

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22 minutes ago, Salvia said:

Been thinking about whether or not to say this but I've decided I should.

Now @Greater Serbia know you are just trying to get back into the RP and I am very happy about, but what motives do you have to justify being in Ceris?  As far as I can see, there are no economic or cultural reasons, and, to be completely honest, no economic reasons either.  Western Ceris is literally a sh*thole economically, how do you expect your people to be able to support them while your country does whatever you do?  Judging just from your new thread with Tag and V and whoever else, it seems like either your government is either unstable or being overthrown altogether and so I doubt you have the political power within your own nation to pull this off.  If your goal really was just "manipulation" and you don't want to annex a territory then you need to explain 3 things: 1) Why would you waste your resources on Ceris, 2) what will you do there (saying "manipulation" could mean anything from establishing a small sphere of influence to Leopold II in Congo exploitation- you need to define this) and 3) depending on what you are doing, the Eurth community might react- something I doubt you want more of.  I am not trying to stifle your activity, but Eurth RP is realistic RP- I would be happy to swallow my words if you can work out a reasonable motive for your actions in Ceris.  Or if the mods/Seylos don't care if you get involved and I'm the only one that does, then I'd suggest ignoring this.  

I don't mean to single you out or target you, and I by no means wish to see you become inactive in terms of roleplaying with the Eurth community (although painfully slow, I find writing with other people adds some spice to it), however I find it very unrealistic that your people or government, if in real life, would actually get involved in Ceris.  However, that is a decision for you, Seylos, and the mods to decide- and they deem it O.K., then it is okay for me.  This was just a few of my thoughts about the whole situation; this extends beyond just GS and I think anyone who is already in/will be/is thinking about joining this thread should think about this in RL terms: would my people accept this? or would there be protests?  Could I economically, politically, and socially support this territory I am annexing, and if I'm not annexing anything, would it really be worth investing money in this region?

 

Just my two cents.

I understand, I can explain. 1. Seeing as that Serbia already has a developed military - I'd thought that it'd be nice to have a reserve of cheaper troops in an easily manipulable country. As for resources, the arms being provided aren't brand-new, but are numerous and will ensure easy logistical access. (Greater Serbia mirrors Serbia in the real world as a highly armed nation). 2. The exploitation is for military pursuits, at least mostly. Any other control over other parts of Dopraystein will be to further make the military run more efficiently, such as tackling corruption. One thing the Serbian military lacks in Eurth is reach - the ambition is to move some troops from Beograd to a base somewhere hidden. 3. I understand that, I thought about that too, but seeing as this will be a Sino-German type of deal, where the military is heavily influenced by a strong benefactor, I hope it'll stay relatively clandestine. The personnel in Dopraystein shouldn't number more than 500 for the start-up stages, and I hope to move regular troops after the summit in Variota after all is negotiated on the Bosniak issue.

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8 minutes ago, Tagmatium Rules said:

You don't necessarily have easy logistical access, unless you're airlifting stuff out.

that's the current plan of action. after the summit (if good conditions are met) sea access will be used too.

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As briefly discussed yesterday on Discord, I think I'd let to get involved in this RP.

Thanks to the help of @Seylos I've set my sights on Estaria. Prymont will be searching to increase its social and political standing in the wurld by increasing foreign & humanitarian aid efforts. Estaria is described as a massively overpopulated country suffering from famine and political unrest. Prymont will form a coalition with the Prymontian Rus to step in and assist - Prymont will be the majority funder in the operation by providing financial support and will participate in propaganda campaigns and politicking in Estaria to persuade the populace to side with them, while also providing military support to fight off the Sentist threat. Prymontian Rus will also provide minor military support and will be providing crops from southern farmlands to help remedy the famine. 

We'll be starting off in Zaspa to help the @Variotans reinforce their control in the area and to provide any required assistance against the Sentists. From Zaspa we'll quickly move west to Estaria and begin the campaign there. Assistance will also be provided by @Iverica - Prymont has a naval base in the country and Iverica has existing military supply routes in the area. Intelligence opportunities will also be offered by the Ivericans - I'll let him expand on that if he wishes to. This will hopefully soothe relations between the Prymontian and Iverican armed forces which were significantly hurt during the takeover of the Hellenic Rus (see: the mess that was the Battle of Salonica). 

Once established in Estaria the coalition will ease overpopulation by offering new opportunities in Prymont & Prymontian Rus, the former of which is suffering particularly from a small population. We'll also look to establish trade agreements with nearby nations to overcome the famine and promote domestic farming with tax incentives. A puppet government with roughly an equal level of autonomy compared to the Prymontian Rus will be set up (with elections obviously rigged to get Prymontian-backed candidates into power). 

Meanwhile we'll be building factories for Prymontian companies to seek cheap labour and creating military outposts so the Prymontian armed forces aren't so bloody far away from everyone and everything. Our close proximity to the ICEB also allows us to laugh at the commies and their farcical handling of a humanitarian crisis, because they're commies and can't do anything well. Yes, this means Julian Nordeng is back.

Questions, critiques, advice etc is welcomed. I'll be looking at making my first post sometime next week.

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You're moving into Ceris for the same reasons that I am - just being too far away from the rest of the wurld.

The Scramble for Ceris is truly begun!

Everyone else who hasn't got a slice of the strudel needs to get a move on :P

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Re: Assisting Prymont

Iverica is sticking to a support role. With some allowance for our observers to collect intel and study the situation.

Intelligence support is mainly in satellite imaging; we'll be testing a new one.

Some fire support will also be made available to the Prymontians via ship-based guided missiles. These will be sourced from 2-CATFOR and other units of the 4th Fleet which have a presence in the Adlantic.

For all intents and purposes, Iverica won't have a stake in the current conflict, apart from the interest in keeping our allies supported. Posting here as due diligence in case there are questions about realism (logistics, supply, our military presence) and as per Pry's invite to expound.

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2 hours ago, Iverica said:

Re: Assisting Prymont

Iverica is sticking to a support role. With some allowance for our observers to collect intel and study the situation.

Intelligence support is mainly in satellite imaging; we'll be testing a new one.

Some fire support will also be made available to the Prymontians via ship-based guided missiles. These will be sourced from 2-CATFOR and other units of the 4th Fleet which have a presence in the Adlantic.

For all intents and purposes, Iverica won't have a stake in the current conflict, apart from the interest in keeping our allies supported. Posting here as due diligence in case there are questions about realism (logistics, supply, our military presence) and as per Pry's invite to expound.


I’d expect some complaints from the Salvian state and Papacy about your lack of involvement in saving Christians 😅

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@Salvia

I did ask you about your capabilities on Discord lol. Judging by your answer, you guys had it covered :P. Didn't see the need to get involved if the Iverican military just sits there and looks around. Boots on the ground is expensive and gauging from some of probes I've made into possible Iverican intervention, it looks like it will just bloat the IC thread than contribute to the narrative.

Besides, the Christian int'l community should be grateful enough that the Cussian situation is being, might I say--adequetely contributed to by the Ministry Foreign Affairs and the Armada. So political pressure to join the Coalition directly is fairly low.

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As an aside, and as it is most pertinent in this thread than others, I've renamed my carriers. It made very little sense to have them named after ports rather than something religious - it didn't fit the character of my nation.

Because of this, the BPK Nystras is now the BPK Agios Pantaleon and the BPK Dyrrakion is the BPK Agios Ioulianos. They're named after military saints ICly, although OOCly they've pretty much been named at random from a list of Roman names.

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      @Andalla ✅ @Asgeirria @Astriedan @Bulgenstaz ✅ @Gallambria ✅ @Kipan ✅ @Llalta ✅ @Little Flau @Miiros @Orioni ✅ @Oyus ✅ @Pallamara @Sancti Imperii Catholico ✅ @Selayar @Seylos ✅ @Sunset Sea Islands ✅ @Synturia I'll attach a quick poll to gauge the amount of interest. If there is >50% positive votes, this can be considered a viable idea and we move onto establishing further details.
    • By Haruspex
      As a reawakening nation within Europa/Eurth, although not a dead race, perhaps not as focused upon the region about them as they might have been. It has been some time since a visit was conducted within the Haru lands, be it for simple curiosity or ventures of trade and economy. Recent events, a war, a return of the old ways, the acknowledgement of old friends and perhaps old enemies, brings the slumbering beast from its reverie once more. 
      The Occident is in a different state then when the Empress first, and the Emperor that followed, had paid attention to it. A new emperor is about to be crowned, banners once more shall rustle in the breeze. Shall this be more of the same, or a different approach to the realm as it knows. 
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