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Oboi this looks like we are frequently riddled with eurthquakes. Would tsunamis be potentially a threat, too? In addition to hurricanes I think I would also get at times.....

 

DONT LET THIS DISTRACT YOU FROM THE FACT THAT OYUS IS THE PREMIERE TROPICAL TOURIST DESTINATION THAT CAN CONVENIENTLY HIDE YOUR MONEY!!

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2 hours ago, Oyus said:

Oboi this looks like we are frequently riddled with eurthquakes. Would tsunamis be potentially a threat, too? In addition to hurricanes I think I would also get at times.....

 

DONT LET THIS DISTRACT YOU FROM THE FACT THAT OYUS IS THE PREMIERE TROPICAL TOURIST DESTINATION THAT CAN CONVENIENTLY HIDE YOUR MONEY!!

So basically every RL tropical tourist destination :v

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Now perhaps this is more of a question for @Metztlitlalio and @Eulycea than @Sunset Sea Islands and @Creaturae, but how much of an impact would living on the sides of, and in the shadow, of those giant mountains have on the countries there?

I imagine one of the main modes of travel will be the funicular, more than the mountain railway 😋

Presumably, it will have a massive impact on the local weather patterns, as well as one on the wider wurld's one.

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12 hours ago, Oyus said:

Would tsunamis be potentially a threat, too?

@Oyus might certainly be hit by tsunamis from time to time, but the @Gallambrian territories and @Seylos might have it worse. Same goes for islands on the @Little Flauton plate. Also, depending on their placement on the map, @Yeosan might also be hit from time to time, but I think the transformative line between the Adisi and the Fulgiotan plate might be less active than the one between the Dolch and the Adisi plate.

6 hours ago, Tagmatium Rules said:

funicular

Oh yes, gib, those things are great! The last time I rode one of these must have been in Hastings back in '15! Might even think how viable they would be for my country, since the capital slowly expands into the eastern mountains.

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Cargo-carrying funiculars, now that'll be a sight to see. Although this does mean that I might need to rethink a few of my future plans involving shipping tens of thousands of city slum inhabitants to the rural areas (overgeneralised).

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Right now in canon Seylos, Eire, and Ceris have been hit by a category 3 hurricane. So we definitely get the brunt of some tropical weather.

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Right now in canon Seylos, Eire, and Ceris have been hit by a category 3 hurricane. So we definitely get the brunt of some tropical weather.

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11 hours ago, Tagmatium Rules said:

Now perhaps this is more of a question for @Metztlitlalio and @Eulycea than @Sunset Sea Islands and @Creaturae, but how much of an impact would living on the sides of, and in the shadow, of those giant mountains have on the countries there?

I imagine one of the main modes of travel will be the funicular, more than the mountain railway 😋

Presumably, it will have a massive impact on the local weather patterns, as well as one on the wider wurld's one.

Well, the rain shadows on these mountain ranges would be pretty massive. Very, very dry. Not necessarily hot, though.

Something sort-of related that I never really touched on in my versions of the climate map (I don't know if @Metztlitlalio really took this into consideration, but he might have) is the influence altitude has on climate. The Artifexian video on climate that I mainly used as reference for Eurth says to just ignore tall mountains, since attitudinal climate variation, from what I've researched, complicates the process. He only covers everything below 800 meters and simply greys out anything taller than that. I believe in my versions of the climate map, I ignored everything above 2000 meters. If I didn't, basically the entire map would be grey-ed out space with no assigned climate. Eurth is really tall.

In the next version of the climate map, along with changing the temperature to match @Metztlitlalio's map, me and him will probably have to do some more research into attitudinal climate variation to make this next map even more accurate than the ones before it.

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Also, not so much related to discussion on climate, but what do you guys think about me changing the name of this topic to something like "Eurth Map Rework"? The map is certainly getting some major updates as of late, and this seems to be where most of that is discussed and shared.

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To gather up everyone's thoughts on the current reworks, here's a questionnaire!

https://forms.gle/dvGDwf1Yo9uETSTD9

Feel free to continue discussing the changes here and on the Discord. This Google form just helps us gauge the current responses and thoughts to what we've done so far. 

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9 hours ago, Metztlitlaca said:

👏 Climate Gang Update 2: Island Boogaloo 👏

NOTE: Everything in this post is NOT FINAL. It is meant to be discussed and changed, nothing here is finalised.
NOTE 2: If you are involved in the 3rd Antargic Council Meeting, read the paragraph below in red.

Of the five (four) people who filled out the Eurth Map Revisions Feedback Form, it was primarily split between an update every week or every two weeks - so we will try to push out one of these every 1-2 weeks depending on how much we have done. Currently we are on Draft V2.3 taking on feedback and criticism by those who filled out the form, replied to this thread, or had asked in direct messages to Climate Group members. As done before we will split up each change into it's own categories; this time they are "Created" "Changed/Moved" and "Sunken/Removed". Below are two maps; one of all changes and one that is a generic blank map of Eurth. It should also be stated the way we conduct ourselves has also changed with a new 3-step minmum approval policy. Before any new changes can be added onto a new version of the map they must first be approved within the Climate Group private chat, then brought to those who are directly affected by the changes for confirmation/edits/declination. If those who are affected confirm the new changes and/or the changes are changed to better suit the those affected, the new compromised version is then returned back to the CG group for one final confirmation. This ensures maximum clarity and communication within the group, although does slow down time between versions.

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Green - Created
Red - Changed and/or Moved
Blue - Sunken and/or Removed

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Created

Most new land created was primarily near the equator and near the Adisi Ocean. The @Oyus island chain was completely reworked with more uniquely designed islands and with said islands at a further distance from Oyus. Several smaller islands were also placed in the Adisi ocean for possible expansion plans for those who border the Adisi Ocean. @Yeosan was contacted about the new islands and he was positive with the changes.

From what was said in the Eurth Map Revisions Feedback Form and in the Discord, the Manamana Isthmus change was rather controversial with an equal split between preferring the new Manamana Isthmus and the old Manamana Isthmus. As such we've decided to compromise on the situation by increasing the width of the isthmus to an average width between the original and Version 1.

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White - Version 1
Light Green - Version 2.3
Dark Green - Initial Thickness

Like last draft, there will be a Feedback Form after a couple days, with a couple questions regarding the Manamana Isthmus.

 

Changed and/or Moved

As per expected, there are several islands that have been moved around as per request/decision making. Several islands were moved from the initial Oyus island chain into the Adisi Ocean as requested to allow for more varied expansion by those surrounding the ocean or had historically owned territory in the region. Most likely this will affect @Gallambria, @Oyus, and @Limonaia the most although said affect might be minimal/pre-expected.

An island that is currently controlled by the now-inactive @Adaptus (Last online 18th May, 2019) was requested to be moved towards the middle of Occident Europa and Eastern Argis by @Tagmatium Rules as part of the recent Christian Lore Task Force (#bless)'s attempts at unifying the lore around Christianity on Eurth. The island's historic (new) placement would allow for ships from the Occident to reach Argis far earlier then in real life. The closest distance from Occident to Little Adapty (That's what I'm calling the island until someone corrects me) is 826 miles (1,330km). And the closest distance from Little Adapty to Argis is 491 miles (789km) if we allow for the usage of minor islands near the larger landmasses. A direct route from Little Adapty to Argis is 610 miles (981km)

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Compared to the initial jump from Europa to Little Atapty of 451 miles (726km) and then from Little Atapty to Argis of 989 Miles (1,592km). Both versions equal 2288km, but the newer version reduces the ranges and allows for more realistic travel times by boat. For an example, a straight line from Iceland to Greenland is 733 miles (1179km). This still puts at least one of the journeys on either version outside that limit, but i'll leave the Christian Lore Task Force (#bless) to figure that out. Either to continue to adjust the location of the island or to add another island as part of a chain.

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Below is where I would personally suggest an island*
*Has not been reviewed by the GC nor CLTF

 

Removed or Sunken

Only several locations have been removed as this is the most controversial part of any design update. The least controversial will be the removal of "Generic_Island_01" from Oyus' island chain and instead replaced with the far more interesting island south of Yeosan's island. Another island removed is in the far north near Argis, which would be very unlikely to ever see action and reduces the overall emptiness of the map. It's location means it would most likely just be apart of the greater North Pole ice sheets.

Below is a picture of a minor change to Argis as requested by @Prymont to allow for his canal to be more realistic (i.e. - cheaper). Contact of @North Dniester through Discord was unsuccessful so I could not ask his permission/opinion on the matter. The extended Canamo Sea follows his northern border with no reduction to his nation's size.

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Antargis' Aurelia-centred peninsula has been reduced in it's height to allow for it's ocean currents and that of Aurelia to remain distinct with only a small amount of circulation between them. This means that Antargis' ocean currents remained locked to it's continent primarily and reinforces the colder temperatures - similar to the real life Antarctica - keeping it uninhabitable. On the topic of Antargis...

 

Antargis Appeal - Important!

We required those who's RPs are tied with Antargis to provide feedback on the new continent. So far we have had zero responses and yet those involved who are willing to voice their opinions call us out on bad communication. As such I am stating this is our final draft on Antargis unless someone from the 3rd Antargic Council Meeting states they are unhappy with the changes and provides (constructive) criticism or requests for the changes to be reverted. We are happy to revert any changes any members feel are too intrusive or a worse then their initial versions. But we cannot *know* if people feel as though these changes are for the worse if they refuse to provide us with complaints or criticism. We were initially planning to [@] all members involved in the 3rd Antargis Council Meeting but we decided against doing so.

We do not wish to cause a confrontation between members, but we cannot continue to let this drag us without a known conclusion. This decision was agreed upon by Orioni.

 

Other Changes

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The war for what to call the tectonic plate to the east of the Marenesia Plate continues to rage on. "Oceanesia" is the current working title, but if anyone has an idea for a better name or prefers a name from above please state so in a reply on either here or on the Discord. After talking to Oyus we came to agree to leave the tectonic boundary as is, same with Tagmatium. If anyone wishes for their position near/on a tectonic plate to change please state so. Also; you are of course allowed to ignore any tectonic hazards that might occur in your nation due to the changes as with anything provided here - we are not the ones with the final say in your country.

Well I mean, technically Orioni and the admins do if they believe you are going too far. But that's besides the point.

 

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Ocean currents remain relatively the same except with the reduction in currents mixing between Aurelia and Antargis. Friendly reminder that if you are close to the equator and have a warm current at your coastlines you can (realistically - up to you) have large expanses of coral reefs if you also have large regions of continental shelving. Continental shelves were not changed from the previous version except to accommodate the new/moved/removed landmasses. Prymont's continental shelving was extended slightly to be inline with the larger tectonic plate (and to allow for more fishing).

 

Conclusion

Although the first version came out on rocky terms and issues regarding communication, we have strived for this next version to be more transparent with the community and directly involving the members with more of the precise changes. Of course there is still much to do regarding both our quality of communication and the maps, but we hope that in the end everyone will come out of this happier and more satisfied with their countries and the wurld as a whole then when we started.

In 2-3 days time, we will be releasing a second questionnaire regarding these proposed changes and to give you enough time to come to some conclusions about the proposal. If all goes well we will be able to begin work on the climate maps and as well join up with members of the community directly to begin work on maps for historic migration, modern day cultures, and distribution of cultures. But all in due time.

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If another island makes more sense, then please do add it.

Great work, though!

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Hello all! ^^

I would have a liiiiittle request for a little part of the map :D

If would be possible to move the big island near the anatean penisula from here

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to there:

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mostly because i just want a lil island for an rp reason (have an only island military base/secret military base for one of my sub-plots of my country) and mostly cause the island there wouldn't fit so well, when instead if put near the other one already existing is more fitting because it seems a fractured island :D

Of course i'm aware that relocating that island would remove some territory from my nation, but i'm oke with that so i don't have problems nor i don't want to have so much land at the beginning :D 

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