Jump to content
Shffahkia

Expansion "idea" by Shffahkia

Recommended Posts

Salutations readers of this here topic. 

Here's one more topic to discuss! I know what you're thinking "a discussion topic about Shffahkian expansion, yay!" However, before we jump right into it, here's some backstory. As of late, I haven't been very active on the forums in terms of RP as I've been keeping myself busy making a fitting iiwiki page for everyone's favourite *cough*  only Collectivist state. In writing my history as a Lysian colony and the like, I came upon a historical topic which I didn't really explore much in the creation of my history.

Quote

Drum roll!

Quote

I said drum roll!

Quote

Come on it's not that hard!

Quote

Ugh, fine! Please...

Quote

Thank you. Now the historical topic in question is Manifest Destiny which will be creatively calling Destinée Manifeste in my RP which I might call Appel du Destin. 

In any case here is a map which details my Manifest Destiny

Ud2pDpK.png

The circle (dutifully drawn by yours truly in MS paint #computerwizard #humblebrag) outlines what is considered within the bounds of Manifest Destiny Shffahkian Version 0.9. The circle doesn't mean that I am going to take that land, more or less it's supposed to illustrate the general area which I consider Shffahkia's destiny and all the such. 

Now in more detail, I would go about my Manifest Destiny in three groups. Group numero dos would be focused on the area between the southern river and the river outlined in red, while group one, significantly lesser in numbers, would focus on the more inland area. Group numéro trois would be a very small group I'm going to write small bits about. Maybe. Prolly. Okay, not very likely. This expansion would give me a chance to write my favourite type of RP which is about colonization civilization.

I plan to do my expansion through news posts and possibly through some letters and diary entries. My first initial expansion which would take me several months of writing news articles and all the like is outlined in dark red. 

If a nation pops into my circle, I'll change my plans as is common courtesy. 

PS: Sorry for the quote hassle but I've paid my price for meddling with the quote boxes as I accidentally removed a quote thus destroying my map and explanation. I didn't give up though and just wrote it again as you can see.

2

 

 

 

 

Now, this topic is first and foremost for discussion purposes, so if you have anything to inquire about,  contribute to, comment about or suggest please do so in the form of an objection which I (or a mod maybe) will then either overrule or sustain.

I don't plan to do this RP in a while because I'm focusing on my iiwiki but I think the earlier this is here the better.  I'm especially interested in the opinions of mods and the opinion of my dear beloved neighbours: @Rihan@Asgeirria, @Little Flau and @Kipan with whom I share this wonderful continent with. 

Best Wishes,

Shffahkia (that one weird Collectivist nation that kinda looks like a tumour on the map)

(Also sorry if this should've been in planning instead of here)

Edited by Shffahkia
added apology & fixed my abhorrent spelling
  • Like 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@Shffahkia: Some of your westward expansion will run into my eastern expansion. We should talk. Look at this thread for details: 

 

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I do not have any issues with this expansion as Kipan's potential expansions involve Western Aurelia (if they happen at all). I am sure @Rihan and you will work out how it will play out between both of you.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Alrighty, after a bit of reflection upon this idea, I've decided to have it take place in the past since it would fit better in the 1800s anyway. Also, it gives me a chance to write stuff about the good ol' empire. One idea is that since Shffahkia was so diverse ethnically unity more or less came from the Lysian language. This would, of course, be a political doctrine called Aurelian Lysanisme. Moving this into the past just changes the ethnic and linguistic makeup of that area more towards Lysian-speakers and "ethnic" Shffahkians. 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 minutes ago, Shffahkia said:

Alrighty, after a bit of reflection upon this idea, I've decided to have it take place in the past since it would fit better in the 1800s anyway. Also, it gives me a chance to write stuff about the good ol' empire. One idea is that since Shffahkia was so diverse ethnically unity more or less came from the Lysian language. This would, of course, be a political doctrine called Aurelian Lysanisme. Moving this into the past just changes the ethnic and linguistic makeup of that area more towards Lysian-speakers and "ethnic" Shffahkians. 

I like where this is going - there are still ways for you and I to interact with this change.

Edited by Rihan
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

After playing around in the map, I came up with some candidates for former states of Shffahkia. So here's a short brief of what I've come up with thus far. 

OjAP6j5.pngThe idea behind these states is that between 1890 and 1950, Shffahkia was under two different dictatorships. The first one was a far-right dictator by the name of Émilien Chevotet and the second one was the far-left dictatorship of Duncan Delacroix because no one has ever heard of political centrism in Shffahkia. Following the subsequent death of Delacroix in the '50s, Shffahkia would, without a central uniting force, go on to fracture into a myriad of various Aurelian states.

The first state is Paranne (purple) would be significantly more centrist and would've been the last state to leave Shffahkia. The westmost state, Cali [name pending, need something that sounds like California; one idea is Caliphator coming from caliphat d'or] (yellow) would've been one of the first states to leave and would be far more capitalist than any other state. Cocaïque (green) would be a quaint little state with a lovely and not at all controversial cocaine industry. However, as is, Cocaïque remains in the ol' back burner. 

The idea for the expansion, at least the current version 1.2, could be that Shffahkia seeking to unify with its old states would have to make concessions which would drastically change Shffahkia and Shffahkian society. Thereby a central theme of the expansions would be that Shffahkia would slowly through the pressure of the other states change from its authoritative one-party state into a more stable market economy country, of course, that isn't the only path that can be traversed. 

Overall, I'm still thinking about the expansion, yet I am growing quite fond of the Aurelio-Lysonist unification route. Also, if any new nation pops up near my plans, I'll naturally change them to suit the situation. 

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

An interesting variation on your proposal. And certainly, a direction that the Republic would be more 'receptive' of.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Alrighty, I have done some more general fleshing out of Shffahkian history with the help of @Kirvina.

So a quick recap: moving the manifest destiny to the 1800s means that central Aurelia would very much be majority Lysian ethnically and especially linguistically. At the heart of it all is the question: How far south does Lysian reach in Aurelia? I and Kirvina discussed that very question in order to flesh out our general history. And this we came up with this map. However, most of the credit should go to Kirvina as he made it and had a much larger hand in its creation.  Screen_Shot_2018-12-02_at_12.24.08_PM.png?width=582&height=390 

The map is from a Shffahkian point of view which explains the spelling. Central to the picture is that the line between me and Kirvina is essentially the natives of Aurelia referred to as the taréques. 

Now, I and Kirvina came up with a very lovely history explaining my southern expansion and why it ended. But before that just a bit of Shffahkian history.

In the late 1700s, Shffahkia declares independence under Emperor Eustace I who then goes on a series of wars against colonial forces in Shffahkia (possible war with @Limonaia?) By the early 1800s, Eustace would've conquered the Shffahkian east coast and thus manifest destiny would begin. With manifest destiny, I make my way to the west coast of Aurelia and then begin expanding southward. Shffahkia being an industrial Aurelian powerhouse at the time would have the general idea that it is destined to expand all the way south to Aurelia. Manifest destiny would bring Aurelian Lysians near to the Kirvinska from which the Eustachian wars would begin. 

Now the Eustachian wars might get their own RP some day but what is essential is that I lose with the Kirvinska driving me out and breaking the spirit of manifest destiny. 

What did Shffahkia look like during the Eustachian wars you ask? 

 

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

unknown.pngunknown.png?width=492&height=391

The left picture is of the Shffahkian empire without some southern and north-eastern holdings. 

The right picture is a close up of the south-west part of the Shffahkian empire with some names I came up with to reflect the 1800s. The west coast would have a lot of names based on historical events and the emperor himself because they are newer than the elder east coast. Mort-d'Eustache is a town where Eustace I died, and Tombe-d'Eustache is the island on which he was buried. Some other names I'd like to pinpoint are Sables-Rouges and Mort-aux-kirviens which are based on a historical battle and the general Shffahkian opinion of the Kirvinska respectively. 

Finally, we get to the expansions themselves. I plan on doing much of my expansion through the Organisation Aurelienne de la Lysophonie (OAL) which is an organization that seeks to unify Lysian-speakers alike. 

The expansions would then take the form of a grand reunification of Shffahkia. I plan to first expand into Paranne and then into Cali which will be my California and then to the Bay area below that. Due to the differences of each state, Shffahkia would become a nation whose economic centre would be on the west coast and the cultural/political centre would be on the east coast. Yay more diversity and such! With each, expansion Shffahkia will have to change and that'll be a lot of the fun. 

(Sorry for the inconsistent writing, this is my 4th time writing this because I keep pressing Shift + Enter on accident which deleted a large portion of my writing.) 

Also, if any nation decides to pop up in my old imperial lands, I will, as stated before, change my plans. If you still have some question left please ask away. And if I left some parts too vague, please let me know so I can properly shine the light on it. 

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Full_Shffahkia.png?width=391&height=392Greetings and Salutations!

I've once more come up with some Aurelio-Lysian states which I will henceforth be calling: Shffahko-states.

This map was made in Photoshop/Illustrator to better show the expanse of my historical lands. Territories from the two southmost states, Lunahasse and Liliumnie would've been lost during the fall of my empire in the 1840s. The most northern bit, Territoire Autochthon, would've been my version of the Indian Territory which I would've acquired in the late 1800s when I became a republic. This map is what I would consider my historical reach provided that no other nation pops up in it. If one does, I shall adjust as one would.

The original Lysian colony would've consisted of Shffahkia proper, Citronec, parts of Paranne and Soleilhasse. Lastly, the République Occidentale and République du Baidor among the other southern states are the result of my manifest destiny which saw its end in the 1840s.

I realise that I'll pretty much never reach this size. The purpose of the map was to flesh out my history with Kirvina.

As to the expansion, I plan to first reunite with Paranne. This I plan to go through in December / January if I find the time. Afterwards, I plan to go for either République Occidentale or Baidor depending on the situation at hand. The idea is first to expand to the west where a lot of economic potential is and then south where more usable land is. Land north of me isn't really useful unless I want forests or to get near the Manamana. On the other hand, the land in the south is far better as the climate is more tenable. Therefore, it'd be logical to go west and then south.

The expansion which I will start to write one of these days would revolve around the OAL (Organisation Aurélienne da Lysophonie) which would seek Aurelio-Lysian unification. I'm still not exactly 100% sure on how to go through with it but one conclusion I've arrived at would be starting off with negotiations. 

That's all for now. This was just a slightly more honed version of my earlier plans. Please do let me know if something is wrong and such. (I'll agree with my borders with Rihan and Kirvina when the time comes.) For the sake of repetition, if a nation comes to any of these areas, I'll change my history and plans accordingly. 

Edited by Shffahkia
  • Like 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm glad you've acknowledged that you'll likely never reach this sort of size as I've got pretty big qualms about any single nation claiming what is effectively half a continent.

I realise that the map may never get entirely filled - with the exception Europa, due to it once being the only continent - but it still strikes me as pretty excessive to try to establish such a hegemony over all that territory.

That being said, it is quite cool that you've fleshed your nation's history like this, especially with regards to your neighbours.

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Apologies for hijacking this thread for a moment: Kirvina, Shffahkia, and I have been working diligently to put together a more cohesive cultural framework for the continent to better serve both ourselves and for those who may eventually add themselves in due time. If anything, also helps us synergize our histories.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
You are commenting as a guest. If you have an account, please sign in.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Similar Content

    • By Ahrana
      As my dear neighbor @Prymont had stated I have a few expansion areas Im looking at for the future of Ahrana and the last of all expansions of Ahrana for the foreseeable future and such. The expansion will come in three phases with te first phase starting next year and the other two phases being six months between the first one. They all are going to be Role-played out and will have many justifications and reasonings.

       
      (please do ignore the sub-territorial lines inside the federation that's for something else)
      Anyways the first Phase is to the West of the Federations Borders, the Role-play that will go with this is the territorial claims by the Federal Republic of Xara as Ahrana only annexed one segment of the entire old Country. The other Capitals of the Old Country, Remus and Romulus make Xara whole having three Capitals in all. How it will start is that the Government of Vulgus Supra receives Signals from Remus and Romulus as coming under attack by the Religious Fundamentalist that plagued Xara till the Armed Forces of Ahrana stepped in. So after the defeat they fled to what the Ahranaian Government to be no mans land but instead was Greater Xara and the Old Country of Ahrana. Within this Phase the Religious Radicals will finally be named and we will see exactly what they are capable of doing.
       
      Phase 2 will be started and pursued to create a land border between the Federation and the United States in hopes of further advancing relations and lower Travel Restrictions and so forth. With this instalment Ahrana will begin to ally itself closer with the United States helping usher in Peace in Argis and the northern part of the World. It is with this that I hope that @Prymont grow closer together in some form of another yet to be discussed. The RP for this phase is to give the Federation some more farm land (yes I know it stays cold most of the year here but what we can grow will help!!!!) and more land for factories and so much more. This Phase will start Six months after Phase 1.
       
      Phase 3 will be started Six months or more depending on my life status (haha) after Phase 2. This phase will mainly be a way for Ahrana to be part of Central Argis and to be able help stabilize the area that is in a consistent state of war in my words. OOCly this will also give the United States a corridor into the Central of Argis to help with the stability and so forth. I know Pryguy might have more to say OOCly but we haven't got there yet. This RP will consist of having access to the south and to bring easier trade to the region and giving the Federation more warmer lands for a longer Farming season and another water access area. This Phase has no time table yet, and I have yet to know what others will think in the area but hopefully none to bad (haha).
       
      So there you guys have it the total expansion of Ahrana for the near future and probably the last one for Ahrana at that, I do not see the Federation growing bigger after this unless invasions happen and so forth. So do feel free to leave your thoughts behind!
    • By PyeMcGowan
      I am only posting this here to state and certify that if any future nation wants to be placed on the lands as follows that they should incorporate the history of the former colony into their nation.
      Actual Request                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Below is a map of the former colony of Twinsud Coast, there will be one port that is still represented on the map and if needed the port will become either PyeMcGowian or a local nation. I have already began an past RP that will be linked below.

      This image is just east of @Faramount.The Yellow spot is a port (anchor symbol), named New Leverne. Its ownership will be debated later. These borders are former and are not current, the only borders present will be around the port, if not invisible.
       
       
       
    • By Seylos
      Well I suppose it is time to expand Seylos. The expansion is occurring in the topic The Storm, where King Aidan is traveling after the "unfortunate" passing of his grandfather who ruled as the Duke of Éire. With no family left, women unable to inherit, and the precarious economic situation of the country a personal union will be formed. However Aidan will run into his own problems during the negotiations when a Category 3 hurricane strikes the southern portion on the island.

       
      This map describes the territories of Éire, Plenmont, and Sark which will also be at the negotiating table. There are a few islands I included as well since it would seem odd just randomly having them sit there empty. I would RP them as mostly uninhabited. My population would probably increase by about 7 million as a result of the integration.
  • Who's Online (See full list)

  • Posts

    • MP's to vote on this years budget Thursday This Thursday Mp's are set to vote for this year's budget. This will be the first big vote since Parliament rejoined after the Christmas break.  Obviously the Tories with the majority in the Commons and Knights the budget is expected to pass easily.  We will be covering Budget day tomorrow and will update you with any news. With GBNB I'm Amy Collin's.
    • Dead Shffahkian Inmate Found in Solitary Confinement Cell Ignites Controversy Jaïr Taulle, 38, was found dead in a solitary confinement cell in the Éleigne Federal Penitentiary on January the 7th 2019. The death was initially reported as a suicide by the prison faculty. However, the sister of the deceased, Anne Lozé, didn't buy the initial report later filing a request for an investigative committee to look into the matter on January 9th. The Committee for the Investigation of Prisoner Maltreatment in Éleigne Federal Penitentiary returned January 14th with its findings that would go on to shock many Shffahkians. The committee found that Jaïr Taulle had died of dehydration as a result of extreme neglect from the prison staff.   Interviews with staff members reveal that he was left as the only inmate in solitary confinement by a checking error leading to him essentially being forgotten. A guard wishing to remain anonymous said ".... [the] part where solitary confinement is located is actually rarely visited by guards or staff when there's no inmate there." The committee concluded with the finding that a checking error had led to Taulle being reported as absent from solitary confinement when in reality he was still there. The guard in charge of checking was found to not have been actually the one to conduct the procedure. Rather he had left it to another guard which according to the anonymous guard isn't very rare. "The lack of resources and manpower often leads to situations where senior guards allocate their duties to newer officers." The horrific discovery of the actual conditions in Éleigne has galvanized many into action and caused an uproar in many parts of Shffahkia. The locals living near Éleigne have signed a petition to close the facility down. The petition will be looked over by the Mines Générales rehabilitation committee. Yet this isn't the first time the treatment of prisoners has caused uproar in Shffahkia. It isn't even the first time Éleigne has caused such controversy. Colloquially Éleigne is known as Monmor (Mont Mort) for its location and infamous reputation.  Prison reform has long been discussed and advocated for. There has even been a hit movie called "The Blue Inmate"  based on a book of the same name written by Sacha Taôme. The Blue Inmate is a biography telling the story of the writer's own experiences as an inmate in a similar neglected facility in the early 2000s. The most memorable scene from the movie is the so called "yard execution" where a guard outright shoots an uncooperative inmate. "The system became very clear to me at that moment. Guards who are willing to do egregious acts get promoted while the decent leave. This is all in the name of efficiency, to keep the facility productive. The food shortages, overworking inmates and the disregard most are put under make perfect sense when you think of the purpose of the facility: to produce as much as possible with the lowest cost. It all creates this toxic atmosphere where inmates live in a perpetual state of terror fearing for their very survival. To my knowledge, that guard hasn't faced any repercussions for taking the inmate's life to this day." Sacha writes about the occurrence.  Tougher Than Tough When Is It Enough? Enacting prison reform isn't a simple affair. The Federal Senate, the Chamber of Representatives and the Collective of Ministers have no say in prison reform as rehabilitation and facilities related to it are strictly under the control of the Shffahkian Council. The sitting president of the Council, President Rémy, has flat out stopped any attempt at reform. His "tougher-than-tough" rehabilitation policy is mostly credited with the current prison system and its results both good and bad. According to the current system, inmates are classified as either risk inmates or not. The risk classification is given to repeat offenders or inmates charged with especially heinous crimes such as murder or corruption. In practice, this creates two systems, and depending on the system where an inmate is put, it could be the difference between rehabilitation and neglect.  System 1 has been praised for its efficiency and results. First-time offenders often find that prison life in the 1st system resembles everyday life with facilities looking more like campuses. Inmates also have a myriad of employment and education options. The 1st system is first and foremost made to rehabilitate. As a result, it boasts great results such as a low return rate. The 1st system seems and in many ways is radically forgiving. It is focused on the bigger picture, what's best for society. In stark contrast to the 1st system, is the 2nd system where so called risk inmates are sent. Repeated offences, bad behavior and heinous crimes lead to an inmate being branded as a risk. The largest difference between the two systems is that the 2nd system is not designed to rehabilitate its prisoners. Risk inmates are often forced to into physical labor and are offered little in terms of educational opportunities. The 2nd system has a history of being put under international and local scrutiny for its cruel and unusual practices. Inmates that do leave the 2nd system often experience dire physical and psychological medical problems from beatings and psychological torture which are a part of everyday prison life. President Rémy's prison reforms have set a bleak outlook for anyone designated to be a risk since funding has largely been allocated to the 1st system. A 2017 study from the University of Shffahkiaville revealed that 2nd system facilities allocate only a 6th of the funding per prisoner than their 1st system counterparts.  "The lack of funding has led to facilities having to compensate through 'morally grey' activities. These include selling prisoner labor even when the facility in question isn't a labor camp and reselling prisoner's food and other supplies which means prisoners often get food only every other day in the present and that prison cafeterias are often empty. This is because facilities in the 2nd system often have such lacking funding that we have next to nothing left after we consider the pay for the faculty. If a facility wants to have educational courses or anything of the sort, it has to come up with the funding itself." An anonymous warden had to say of the situation. The Senate, Chamber and Collective of Ministers have all passed bills officially requesting for prison reform from the Council, but President Rémy has stood by his reforms arguing that a harsher stance on repeat offenders and heinous criminals deters crime, and that lowered funding leads to the resources being spent on those who still have a chance of rehabilitation. In fact, President Rémy has advocated for even harsher treatment but has been stopped by more moderate members of the Shffahkian Council. With the situation as it is in the Council, prison reform of any kind seems unlikely despite popular demand. 
    • The Aresi Stone is a story I'm writing about the deciphering of the Aresi Stone that could possibly take an Indiana Jones-ish turn. It will involve @Limonaia and @Prymont initially, but the nations can decide to be involved later. How does this sound?
    • Hey Aluxia I can whip up a fairly clear map for you if you want to just give me a rough sketch of what's going on.
    • With a gentle nod at the completion of the summit, he got up from his table. He went and set a timer for 30 minutes on his phone and began to follow those who left to visit the Eisteddfod, ignoring the press following him around completely. He could just feel the headlines begin to be written and generated, "President Tartaglione seen visiting PyeMcGowan Eisteddfod," he imagined. There was still that feeling in the back of his mind about possible listening devices being placed in the conference hall. One reporter with a notepad leaped in front of the president. "Loki Freymarsson, Alenian National Tribune! What has changed about the Chionian and Leverne Island fishing rights? What did you talk about in there?"  President Tartaglione suddenly panicked, Loki had scared him and he almost forgot what he was supposed to say. With a stutter, he spoke, "tariffs on imported foodstuffs are being lowered." Loki squinted at the president and, with a nod, wrote it down on his notepad. "Thank you, Mr. President." Loki ran off and vanished into the crowd. President Tartaglione continued with his day and returned to the Hall of Prosperity cafeteria for lunch.
×