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Keep carrying on as if Rhodellia never existed.

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Hi everyone, OPFOR for this RP here.

To give everyone an idea of how I will be approaching this, I've decided to highlight some premises I'll be RPing under:

  • Reactionary: apart from the likely few counter-offensives Derthaler forces will attempt to launch, I will mostly be taking my cues from you lot--this means that I'll leave most of the planning for big events in your collective hands. my contribution will mostly be responses to your scenarios in prose form. Expect limited, but still somewhat present strategic manoeuvering on my part. Think AI computer in a video game.
  • Interpreted Derthalen: What has been written on Derthaler Imperial military forces can sometimes be... questionable or a little limited in terms of organisation. Thus, to fill in the blanks of the unwritten pieces and some lapses in realism, I'll be using my interpretation of a logical, balanced, and somewhat up-to-date (Cold War era) force. 
  • Limited Posting: Since there are more than a few players posting at the same time frame, it will rather hard to respond to each and every post. Therefore, my posts will mostly be responing to one or two in a set that I think (or that you advise) has the best story potential. Remember: I do not aim to "win" or compete here. I am just here to provide the Derthaler perspective of things and give some reasonable token manouevering.

Naturally, all of the above is open to discussion. Ask me on Discord or here if you have any further questions/concerns. I'll leave most of the creative direction to you lot :)

Will be posting my introduction to the IC RTW thread within the next 24 hours or so.

 

Cheers profligates, I hope to see more than a few of you bleeding nicely in Derthaler clay. Good hunting.

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@Adaptus I see you're beginning to launch an attack? Can you explain what's going on exactly? I didn't know you were joining

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Oh, I’m sorry. I didn’t realise you all planned an entire RP which totally ignored the fact I had a huge fleet surrounding Derthalen and just thought it was ok to bypass all of that. 

Godmodding - meet logic. 

And since my petitions for improvement around here is continually ignored, I’ll just approach this in the same manner as everyone else. 

Adapton forces have been in the area for months, planned for an invasion of GS, with the foresight for an invasion of Derthalen. My previous months of RP have been quite obviously building up to either one of these possibilities. There is a very heavy Adapton naval and air contingent in the area and as my previous RPs have stated there has been a gradual increase in land forces. 

Small insertion teams, with the purpose of destroying key infrastructure and strategic positions I admit would never stand up to a full counter attack by Derthalen forces. But I’d imagine, based in Derths Air Force, and anti-Air and their age/focus, the initial air war would at the very least see Adapton superiority, if not air supremacy. Which would make a full scale Derthalen counter attack ineffective. At least long enough for the Adapton assault to hit its mark and withdraw. 

This first assault should in essence slow down Derths ability to regain those areas since his military relies heavily on a world war 1 style mobilisation network. Which would give Adapton, and in theory allied forces, enough time to mount a more total invasion. 

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9 minutes ago, Adaptus said:

Oh, I’m sorry. I didn’t realise you all planned an entire RP which totally ignored the fact I had a huge fleet surrounding Derthalen and just thought it was ok to bypass all of that. 

Godmodding - meet logic. 

And since my petitions for improvement around here is continually ignored, I’ll just approach this in the same manner as everyone else.

I don't even know what to say anymore. When this first started I asked the mods what to do then I did it. Derthalen set his terms for the conflict. We spent months trying to plan this we all sorts of roadblocks in the way. I'm not a mod or an admin and I thought I was just doing the process I was supposed to do in order to make this work.

I'm kind of at my wits end with this, I've put a lot of RP on hold in order to have the war and honestly I don't even know if it's worth it right now. I really hope Adaptus, Derthalen, the admins, and mods can sort this out because I honestly don't know what to do.

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Mods, don’t have the power to deal with it, and the admins just don’t care.

I agree with you @Seylos, and my sentiments are exactly the same. 

If this is what it takes to bring that to people’s attention then so be it. 

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I thought you had left... Yet people repeated your stance on your return. 

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4 hours ago, Seylos said:

Derthalen set his terms for the conflict. We spent months trying to plan this we all sorts of roadblocks in the way.

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OOC planning of this war begun on Noverber 12th of last year. Your complaints about the lack of OOC planning are completely groundless, @Adaptus. You're only taking a dump on the whole project because you're pouting 'cause the mod team doesn't bow down and lick your boots after every complaint you make. This behaviour is unfair to @Derthalen who negotiated the terms of this war. You've had enough time to join the discussion. And for reference, the oh so unactive/uncaring admin/mod/mentor team is debating what to do with your post. Sure, your presence in the area could have proven extremely valuable in this conflict, but you've done jack shit to actively participate in the planning of this RP. You wasted your justification and locical reason for participating by absolutely ignoring the OOC planning you accuse this community of lacking. There was plenty of time to talk with the participants of this RP. Suddenly jumping in and claiming to f*ck everyone over, at least in my opinion, is worse than godmodding. Godmodding's what Enclave-like kids do, your behaviour, as an established and generally respected member of the community, is nothing but embarassing.

This is the reason why I hate PvP war RPs. It's the same bullshit every time.

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@Adaptus, a by your leave would have been appreciated before you posted. I went inactive in this region because the war was turning into a dog pile at the time and I felt it was better to let things go on without me. Due to new information, such as the fact that under no circumstances can a person reroll or write cooperatively with another for the same nation, we have had to actually begin negotiating how we are going to proceed in this war. The apocalypse is off for now sadly, but what really gets me, is that you god-modded. Something which I find absolutely hilarious and also somewhat amazing seeing as it came from you.

Firstly, that base is in my territory and would realistically be under constant watch, assuming that is where these forces set out from. Any vessels you brought into my territory would also be constantly watched, even if we were friendly. My people are neither trusting nor are we likely to leave even a friend alone when something could go 'wrong'. We would have asked for your course and flight plans ahead of time so we could either escort you or at least keep you safe as long as you were under our jurisdiction.

Secondly, even if my naval, ground based, or aerial radar did not pick you up on approach (something which is increasingly unlikely thanks to the fact that we are actively looking for even the slightest bit of unusual activity), we have constant air patrols now, warships sailing along our coast, and just people who would notice either the strange lights or the clapping sounds of helicopters and report them. 

Thirdly, what do you think would happen once we detected them? Mind you, there are no IFF signals for us to go off of here. If my men challenged them over the radio and got no response or one which was suspect, they would immediately call for interception. If your men tried to evade, they would be shot down immediately and then any survivors captured and tortured. If we found one your ships entering our territory and then launching an attack, we would sink it. Likewise, we would take your base faster than you can say 'gyro'.

You seem to have been under the impression that my country was not currently in the prelude to a major war and that we did not have a suspicious streak running in us. Mind you, all of the preparations I have been doing were written about. I have been writing about my nation gearing up for war this entire time, as it needs to have most of these things established for good story purposes. We have a defensive network, we have a decoy network, we have a detection network, and we have most responses set up on a hair trigger as we can not and will not suffer losses to any of those networks lightly. Actually, that brings up another point... How do you know what to target or where it is? Anything lightly guarded enough for a team in a helicopter to take out would likely be small and mobile. The rest of my important stuff would constantly have soldiers either moving through them (train stations, depots, bridges, roads) or stationed around them (command centres, factories, communications centres, so on). What could realistically be done with such a small force, especially when we are actively setting up fakes and moving around important stuff so as to avoid their destruction?

Anyway, @Sunset Sea Islands, I would like to suggest that his thing stays, but they are wiped out by my missiles as we assume them to be an advanced force from Seylos. Or, we could do something else comical and then go back to the war ignoring it.

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1 hour ago, Derthalen said:

such as the fact that under no circumstances can a person reroll or write cooperatively with another for the same nation

Just for future reference, I'd like to repeat that if you want to help @Iverica out by temporarily RPing as a state that's been taken over by Ivy, you're very much free to do so. However, for the time being, swapping nations is a no-go, as that would set a precedent for nations to go "oh yeah I got bored by my nation so now I want a new one" whenever they feel like it. My doctrine regarding that will always be to change your boring nation into one you don't find boring anymore (hey my tourist paradise is boring, let's turn it into a dystopian surveillance state). The emphasis is on temporarily. The time you spend helping Ivy out can be the time the victorious powers need to set up a post-war regime in @Derthalen. Once they're done setting it up (and you're done helping Ivy) you can come back to it and have a fresh start where you don't have to be the one nation the entire world gangs up against. Y'all just have to figure out what you want a post-war Derthaler nation to look like.

1 hour ago, Derthalen said:

Anyway, @Sunset Sea Islands, I would like to suggest that his thing stays, but they are wiped out by my missiles as we assume them to be an advanced force from Seylos. Or, we could do something else comical and then go back to the war ignoring it.

That is very much acceptable. I'll unhide it if y'all want to take this plan of action, just ping or PM me once y'all have decided.

Lastly, I'd like to mention that I am extremely positively impressed by Derth. (I always notice something's different when the inner voice I read posts in changes from the persona I assotiate the creator with.) In contrast to Adaptus (and to his own usual troll-born-150-years-late persona displayed on Discord), Derth has shown maturity and level-headedness in the post above. Enough sweet-talk, just wanted to praise this a little.

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So apparently Derthalen is gone from discord again and I know a lot of people have responded to, plan on responding to, or at the very least written about a reaction in RP about the Dolch See war. Over the past few months we've had a crazy amount of hiccups. First was the initial negotiations to do it, then Derthalen left the first time, then Rhodellia appeared and threw in a wrench, then Derthalen reappeared, then Adaptus reappeared and threw in a wrench, then new negotiations with Derth started taking a turn away from total war. Then he has left the discord again. I'm not really sure what the future of the RP truly is now. Or that any of it should remain canon. I'd love to hear what anyone has to think about what we should do, I've heard some ideas from people in the past but now with yet another development I wanted to officially bring it up.

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Off the top of my head, I'd suggest reverting to the first time Derthalen left before Rhodellia joined which was, if I remember correctly, a mod-controlled Derth that would've been possibly divided into zones of occupation between AFMS members.

 

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I'd personally suggest we just abandon the retcon, and continue as-is with the admins running Derth. He's a nice guy, but if he's leaving the region (or being banned as some have discussed), then there's no reason to abandon the RP.

@North Dniester, you're certainly still welcome to invade Faramount, but this might be the better RP if you want to have your coup happen quickly. I imagine it'll be a minute before a war in Faramount causes enough attrition to actually undermine the stability of your nation. Plus, if we do undo the retcon, you could just pickup where you left off.

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The biggest problem is with running his nation without his permission. If someone can get his permission, then that's fair enough.

If not, it's a bit shitty and this has caused problems in the past, with regards to people saying that their IP was being stolen.

I believe @PyeMcGowan got @Theodoria's permission for the Auraid Bay thing that's going on.

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Reviewing the Terms of Service, it would appear that we could have an IP problem, as we didn't give the forum any right to posted content. So unless someone is willing to approach Derth, we could have an issue there. That might be something worth reconsidering at some point.

So perhaps someone should approach Derth? Though I doubt he'll agree. Given the denial of his request to switch nations post-war, this would essentially mean playing as an occupied people if he ever returned to the game. And I mean, hey, I'd love to do that, but I don't think most people are particularly interested in this country sim.

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This is why I'd prefer if we just retcon to a point where we can all agree. I've already said that I'd prefer no part in this from now on and would rather just have the ship be from another nation if possible...

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