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Just thought we might need a thread like this.

 

My first topic:

 

I've noticed a glut of nations all of a sudden vehemently rejecting the idea of thier joining the CIS as if we had started some kind of recruitment campaign. Also, they seem to believe that we are trying to start a United Nations type organization. But I think we are still in the too early stages to be thinking of that. The CIS, I think, should stick to doing what we've been doing so far... advocating peace and humanitarianism... but not trying to create a universal organization to which every nation belongs. I mentioned in a post somewhere that IT WOULD BE NICE if all nations joined, but I was only speaking rhetorically... but I think many nations felt I was all of a sudden suggesting we wanted to be Europan UN and we suggesting that everyone join. I think at this stage it would still be hard to have members that are also members of any of the other big alliances... we would have to change things fundamentally before such members would/could join... Thoughts?

 

EDIT: OK, there is for sure something wrong with the titles. I definately had both acromyms capitalized that time... but that's not how they posted!!! angry.gif

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OOC: I agree totally. I had not, and do not plan on making this organisation into a UN Type group. What the plan was, is what Rekamgil said: Advocating peace and participating in humanitarian aide. We're not in any position to dictate terms on how best to make the CIS Encompass all nations, nor is it right to presume that everyone ought to, and should join the CIS. Its open for all, but we'e not supposed to pressure anyone.

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OOC: no, but since the main reason we were let into Ide Jima was because the CIS Contingent would be un armed, is why we're protecting it. Going in with soldiers is not neutral, no matter how you put it.

 

TagEdit: Posts split from this thread:

http://s7.invisionfree.com/Europa/index.ph...15#entry3565681

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OOC: I'm trying to offend you or anything, nor am I trying to make you think like me. However, since this is to be a CIS operation, your actions will possibly affect the rest of us (as ours will also affect you). So it is in our interests to make sure that all members are fully agreed how we will act when we are acting as a member of CIS. Countries are often unwilling to allow foreign troops on their soil and their presence there might invite attack. At this stage, the CIS is trying to establish itself as a force for peace and understanding in the region and in that regard, we are trying to show that we can be trusted, and that we are willing to trust others. We have so far been willing to accept assurances that our aid teams will be unharmed, in exchange, we offer neutral and unarmed (therefore inoffensive) assistance. Of course I realize that this makes them vulnerable to attack, but that is a risk that the CIS has so far been willing to take in order to enhance our international reputation and peaceful intentions. You mentioned that we will have differences when it comes to details... but I submit that the sending of armed troops along with our aid teams is more than a detail, it is a very important and potentially destabilizing action. I understand that you feel differently on this issue, but if we are to act as a whole, we need to be agreed before going in. I have not "made up my mind about how you think" I've simply tried to express the stance of the CIS governing council. If you are uncomfortable with sending teams without military escort perhaps you could lend some other kind of assistance, such as monetray support or medical supplies? Again, I'm not trying to be confrontational, and I fully understand you have a differing opinion, but these are the sorts of issues that we need to work out if we are all going to work together in, more or less, harmony! So please don't take offence... biggrin.gif

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OOC: Well you did disagree with me however I tried to please you... You tried to force me into helping soldier no matter what. then I stated that i would help them if their lives were in danger but that wasn't good enough either... rolleyes.gif

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ooc: Rekamgil was totally polite with you. we haven't forced you to do anything. We said that if you qwant to send troops, that would be completely counter productive, however we would allow it, but Ide Jima probably won't. I also stated that if you chose to send troops, the consequences would be the loss in the coordination lead by you, and we'll replace the leader of this operation with some one else.

 

Speaking of which, I am tired of arguing. I will lead this operation, as people are dying and I really do not want to sit here and let you pick apart words. Sorry, but thats not how it works. In order for us to be effective, there cannot be bickering. It goes back to what I said before: Keep it to pm's if you have an issue.

 

I will be role playing the CIS Entrance into Ide Jima tonight, when I return from work. If there is a proble mwith this, please post below.

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OOC: Don't have too much against it as you took the will of me rp'ing this a while ago. Never said regamgil wasn't polite. I think he tries and am very polite and nice. Altgouh for me it feels like I wasn't given any options at all. An alliance can't work like a dictatorship ya know. I was more then willing to sen medical teams but just because I hade certain ideas of treating soldiers I'm almost not allowed to. I do not feel like even bothering about it anymore. I hope those souls will have a better time in heaven then.

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Don't know ehy youre completely cought up by the escort thing, you didn't want me to act even before that. huh.gif

 

(It's not fun if you take the fun out of it)

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Italgria and Mongol Swedes have been accepted into the CIS. They can now take part in all debates and CIS actions. Please see our current mission in Suverina. you will find info in both this CIS room (under "governing council decides") and also in the Newsroom, under "Suverina's Economy collapses".

 

Also, Voc, can you add their flags to the banner. Once this is done, yu can all add the CIS banner to your signatures... Suverina, you can do so also since your flag is up and running...

 

Thanks dudes

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So, uh, now that U.S has left the CIS...Where exactly do we go from here?

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No idea, Probabably you and Rekamgil should discuss it and bring it up with us.

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Yep, just read all about that. I've had no OOC discussion with US yet so I'm not sure if he intends this to be permanent. We'll figure it out once we get more info from US and/or the Suverina conflict is over.

 

In any case, we need to tread carefully in Suverina. I'm at pains to make it clear that I'm there to defend civilians etc. That is the only mandate we have from the CIS. Suverina can act more aggressively obviously becuase it is your own country, but the other CIS nations (Becasue of our charter and our mandate for being in Suverina) must abide by our principles, or else it will fall apart very quickly. Other nations are watching us closely and we cannot afford to lose respect through acting hypocritically. So I'd advise all CIS nations (aside from Suverina) to act defensively and in support of our mandate (which means that your soldiers can defend themselves, they can assist the wounded and they can help civilians).. try not to exceed that...

 

We'll talk more later... biggrin.gif Sound good?

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Oh, and by the way, I'm gonna get the new sig banners finished tonight, come hell or high water. I've been wanting to make a tiny Italgria flag anyways tongue.gif .

 

Surverina will have a updated eagle, and I think I'm gonna remove U.S. from it because he's no longer part of the CIS.

 

 

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Short story is that his people think that CIS policy and actions are hypocritical. So now that his nation is a direct democracy, they have voted to pull out of CIS and to withdraw ambassadors from CIS nations. They believe it rids them of the last vestiges of the former fascist regime... since the previous liberal democratic govt turned into the fascist govt, they want to be rid of al that once and for all.

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Updated the banner, finally.

 

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T'was no problem.

 

So what are we going to do about U.S.'s new war? I think our resources are spread to thin as it is to have to have another operation going there, and if we do get involved, which I'm sure U.S.'s citizens wouldn't like, we would have to aid the current government, and not the old one, else we get entangled in a war.

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Agreed. We have our hands full in Suverina. I doubt the US people would be willing to accept help if it were offered, especially considering that when I suggested my ambassador intended to stay in US even though theirs was recalled, US informed me that if my ambassador remained beyond 72 hours he would be treated as a spy... I think silence in this case is probably our best initial policy...

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You're very much welcome to come, all help is needed as I'm pulling off a major offensive soon.

 

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