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    Those Halcyon Days...
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  1. Just sticking my head in to offer a couple of thoughts after seeing this. First, might be a bit late for this, but why not name it "General Assembly of Island Nations"? That sounds a bit more official and formal than just 'group'. Also GAIN sounds cooler. Also since it's the 70's, if there's any military conflict that happens I expect there to be old school F-4 Phantom dogfights. And I'm not just saying that because I've been on a massive jet fighter kick since Ace Combat 7 came out.
  2. I am reminded of the last time Europa had an pandemic event. Was decently good times.
  3. Tossing my hat into this, but I would completely be against using dead Europan nations, as that is a violation of IP right. Sure, they're gone, but that does not give anyone the right to swoop in and use someone else's content without permission. Especially given that there's only four and occasionally five 'old guard' players left that actually know how those nations acted and were played, well, leaving them in the hands of players who didn't know those nations seems like a ill-thought out plan. And again, I'm entirely against the use of other player's content, no matter if they're gone or not, because it's a violation of that player's IP. If there was no permission given, then those nations should not be used. The best solution to this problem would be the creation of NPC 'power blocs', or just certain areas on the map that would contain cluster of NPC nations that could either be allied together ala Soviet Union, or it's just a politically tense little cluster of nations. The best way to make those areas interesting is to then build them up internally by giving them canon, characters, lore etc. You're essentially making a 'setting' within that area for people to do stuff in/with. That, in and of itself, could generate activity just from the creative aspect of it. Same goes with deciding what happens to them, the players that built them should be the ones that decide what happens, what action they take, be it a group or a single player. That being said, these actions should be responsive to other players. The ones running the NPC nations should, at best, act as a Dungeon Master that gives outline and information, rather than interact directly. That gives the actual players that want to interact with the NPC a wider berth to do whatever they would like when it comes to writing RP posts. And, to avoid cases of IP abuse, theft, and other unpleasant things, make it clear that these NPC nations are being made for use within the Public Domain, so that anyone can use them, especially if the player goes inactive for long periods of time or quits altogether. Example: I've been designated to DM the nation of Koreanesia. I then come up with a general background for that nation, it's leader, basic government and military, how it's people look, dress, basic culture, general look at feel so that it isn't just cardboard cutouts. Orioni is expanding into that area, so I provide Orioni with the information needed for him to interact with it. City names, places of importance. Orioni has then chosen that a military invasion would be the best way to go about this, so I provide him with ORBATS (if desired) or a general military reaction. Orioni is then free to portray that battle however he may please, and so on and so forth until he has completely conquered that nation. Then other players within this nation cluster would react on a general level, based on how those nations have been built. And if those players go on hiatus or leave? The information is public so that someone else can pick up as DM for those nations. That would make having NPC nations work a little better than handing control over to the mods or individuals. And I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the best way to do this? Archive the old Europan continental map, move all the old threads into an archive subforum, move everyone interested in taking part over to the new continents (Given it's just the Occident and Orioni's giant island at this point). That removes the need to try to 'fill in' the Old World, part of the map that has deep history, with NPC nations. Start fresh, with everything that's happened in the last two years being the starting point for the current region canon. Less space to fill in, less concern about tripping over people's things, and in general you don't have to worry about old canon at all. A full reboot. But I know that chances of that happening are pretty slim.
  4. I did have some thoughts about doing something a little more low-key and less SPACE THE FINAL FRONTIER. Was thinking maybe take a page out of Alien Vs Predator, mix it with a little Homeworld: Deserts of Kharak, a little from the film Sphere and have something high tech be buried under one of the Arctic areas. Maybe some form of international rush to get to it, or a conflict of some sort. But other than that, I didn't really have many ideas and The Radiant is already going, so. I was largely just tossing some helpful links and resources in because I know that going into Future Tech territory can be daunting and intimidating without a good starting point. There's also the temptation to go overboard right at the start and burnout before players have even had the chance to do anything, be it through the desire to have everything, or the compulsion to 'win'. After reading through here again, I'd just like to point out that the idea that everyone has to agree upon one solid technology base in order to succeed in a Future Tech environment is incorrect. The NSFT community on the main boards has wildly varying techbases. It's just all kept in check through respecting each other and not being dumb about the tech you have. Basically the 4C: Creativity, Consistency, Collaboration and Compromise. All in all, most people in the NSFT community wind up having pretty grounded nations and the largest empires rarely go above a dozen star systems. Typically the people that have 'god tier' technology (the Forerunner from Halo, etc) is actually extremely rare, and the people that have played them generally put years worth of development into them as well as earning the trust as respect of the community. And I'll second Sunset's desire for smaller, character based RP. Actual open war between NSFT nations is actually a rare occurrence that has months/years worth of planning built up between the players involved before it actually happens, as war (at least within the NSFT community as it exists onsite) drastically changes the astropolitical landscape of the NSFT galaxy. So most combat between nations are limited to skirmishes, and a lot of them built around simple character, not nation, based RP. Anyway, I was just looking to toss a few cents of knowledge and experience with the tech level in, in the hopes it might help any Europans getting started on their own FT nations (or settings, as I prefer to call them). There's a way to be Future Tech and experience the creative freedom it allows without going overboard and unless they intend on going overboard, most people can get what they want out of it by way of the 4C.
  5. I'd also like to step in and say that I run a FT (Future Tech) story thread over on the main NS forums, called The Compendium. There's also a vibrant FT community with many helpful threads filled with advice on how to pull off good FT RP, as well as resources for say, ship building, finding images for planets, etc and so forth. There's also a Discord server with a couple of channels, one for general discussion and another one for RP and Worldbuilding. The Future Tech ADvice & Assistance Thread: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=17432652#p17432652 NSFT Discord: https://discord.gg/Enky7x8 The Compendium: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=22295786#p22295786 My preference would be to have an FT thread up on the NS forums to some regard, but if anyone is interested, so long as your story follows the rules set out in the OP, anyone is welcome to post there. And anyone is welcome on the NSFT Discord to talk about either just random stuff or worldbuilding specific things, so long as you follow the rules. Not plugging for the sake of plugging, but if anyone needs help or resources, there's a whole community out there that has, over the years, built up a rather generous amount of player guides and resources for the aspiring FT RPer (or just anyone interested in writing science fiction as a whole).
  6. 🎂 A very happy 31st birthday to you Mr Vocenae.

  7. I see nothing wrong with providing additional thoughts on the subject, on how it could be incorporated without removing an aspect of creative agency from players that would be responsible in creating their nation as they envision it. At the end of the day, yes, it's up to everyone here to make that decision as it directly affects them, not me. I simply wanted to suggest, not demand, additional options in the hopes of making this project that much more successful for those that will be involved in it. As a veteran of this community, I simply care about it and want to see it continue to grow in a positive way, regardless if they take any suggestions I might have or not. As stated, I think the idea of a resource map is a good idea overall.
  8. I like the idea of a resource map, but I'd also suggest that it is 'opt in' only, or allow them to make their own resource maps (with rules for said customization so it's not godmodding, limited number of X and Y, etc).
  9. This is the second time posting this. Abusing your moderation powers is not how you run a community, guys. You have a responsibility, regardless of how you feel about individual players, to uphold the rules without bias. ___________ Just for clarification regarding my nation in response to the above post (bolded emphasis mine):
  10. OOC: This is the second time posting this. As a result I have taken the liberty of taking a screenshot of this post as a deterrent against biased moderation. This is not the way you run a community, guys. _____________ As there is no official OOC thread in which to lodge this, this post is an official request to remove all content referring to my nation beyond the following paragraph. No permission was given to use my nation or it's assets beyond the above singular use. Please remove or change the offending content so that it no longer makes use of or mentions my nation in any capacity. Thank you.
  11. The IC topic is located here. As I did not give authorization to Andalla to use my nation beyond a singular reference, I am officially requesting that all content concerning my nation beyond the following paragraph be removed from this thread in accordance to the Community and Roleplaying Rules. Thank you.
  12. To which I will direct you to the Berne Convention. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention Specifically, And Rowling could go after those fanfiction writers, if she wanted. George R. R. Martin, author of the A Song of Ice and Fire universe (the books upon which Games of Thrones is based) does. To be clear I am NOT threatening legal action. All I'm asking for here is that we abide by both our community rules, which clearly state And our Roleplaying rules:
  13. Posting this so that we're all brought up to speed, here (including myself). Intellectual property rights ARE a thing. They are not some nebulous construct pulled from the aether, regardless of how much worth or 'difference' that one user may find that the do or do not have. It is something that exists within real world law. Infringing on it is violating that law, again regardless of an individual's personal belief of the value and worth of said IP. There is no 'weight' being thrown around, it is simply me protecting my property, which it is. Continued usage of my nation without my expressed consent is in violation of Intellectual Property Law. For the benefit of everyone in Europa, I will now list content concerning Intellectual Copyright Law, along with excerpts from The Community Rules of Europa and The Roleplay Rules of Europa. Taken from HG.Org (a legal resource site) is the following on what Intellectual Property Law is (bolded emphasis mine): https://www.hg.org/intell.html And as found In The Community Rules of Europa, specifically section §3 Your Content; Article 5. (Bolded emphasis mine) And in The Roleplay Rules of Europa, specifically section §5 In Character rules; Article 1 and 2. (Boled emphasis mine) Hopefully this post was information for everyone, and not just myself. Thank you for your time.
  14. I'm pressed for time and data on my phone, so I've just skimmed the posts and for now you get a TLDR response. It doesn't matter if I'm here or not, given that it's my stuff. It shouldn't be used without my permission. It's metagaming, and more importantly, IP theft otherwise. Now, had I given permission and said "Sure Andalla, do whatever you want", then there would be no problem. But I did not give him permission. He received permission to mention my nation, not create political situations or named and unnamed characters that are corrupt. That is creating history in MY nation without my consent. That's the problem. This is not bullying, this is not me "showing up once in a blue moon and throwing around demands, this is me protecting my things. That's it. I could have been a lot more terse about it instead of trying to explain WHY this is bad in a polite manner. If this was the official NS forums, this would be a warnable offense if reported to moderation, with ALL the offending content (which is most of the post) being deleted by a moderator upon being reported. Without any notice given to Andalla. So all in all, my polite request and explanation is much kinder a service than Andalla would have received on the official forums. All he has to do now is replace all mentions of my nation with a NPC state (or someone else, if they volunteer or otherwise choose to participate in the RP) and literally nothing changes. Given that there's a lack of RP rules (we had them, once) I've suggested to Orioni via Discord that perhaps adoption/adaptation of the NS forum rules would be really beneficial for everyone. The new guys don't know, but you, Adaptus, might remember this. Once upon a time there was a player by the name of Xheng. What did he do? He metagamed and used, without permission, other people's nations, and made quite a few people very upset in the process. What happened to this player? He was removed from the region because of those violations and several refusals to obey both moderator and admin commands to cease doing that. As for "your opinion doesn't matter you're not here anymore you shouldn't even be on the map", let it be known I was keeping the lights on both here and in the actual region when all other admins, pretty much everyone was gone, including Orioni, Tagmatium, and even you, Adaptus. And if you check the last page or so of the previous map discussion thread, you'll see that because of that service (and the one I still provide to Europa), I was allowed to retain my position on the map.
  15. OOC: Only gone in the sense that I don't park my nation here anymore. I visit the forum and RMB quite frequently. After all, I didn't put years of keeping the lights on just to entirely walk away. And just in case anyone was wondering, my nation uses soft Cs, not hard. As such, you pronounce the full name as: vOH Sin Nay, and the capital city as: vOH See Ah. Otherwise, on Discord or as the name I go by most everywhere else "Voc", that's a hard sound, like saying the word "Voke". Anyway, I'd rather do this in a OOC thread, but as there is none, well, gonna do it here. Sorry. For the record, I authorized the use of mentioning Vocenae while visiting the Europa Discord, but I did not, however, authorize full use of it, or characters, named or otherwise, within it. This is a very clear use of another player's IP without permission, and while the scenario surrounding it is different, the problem behind it is no different than is I or any other player decided to go "And a group of corrupt Andallan politicians and soldiers had reached out for supporters of a coup". It's taking control of another player's assets, no matter if they're 'here' or gone entirely and it's not acceptable. Sorry if this comes off as harsh. I've had more than a few people steal things from me and my nation over the years and it's left me more than a little defensive when people take liberties with my stuff. Again, for the record, here is the amount of content that I gave permission for: This was the extent in which I was led to believe you would be mentioning my nation, which again, I gave permission for. I did NOT, however, give permission for use of anything else involving my nation. As such, I'm going to have to ask you to remove all references to my nation, beyond the above, from your post. Again, sorry if this sounds harsh, blunt or mean-spirited. It is not intended that way, but I will defend my IP. And as a basic creative rule, always, ALWAYS try to get permission from another player or if that player no longer exists, use a NPC nation. Don't ever use someone else's property without permission. And if anyone EVER needs to contact me concerning the usage of my nation in an RP, or just RP ideas in general, I am always a simple Telegram, PM or Discord Message away. PLEASE contact me as get my permission before using my nation again in the future. Thank you.
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